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    Re: Felony charge dropped because it could affect wealth manager's job

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is why I like mandatory sentencing laws.
    mandatory sentencing is exactly that... sentencing... after a guilty verdict. You can't give someone a mandatory sentence if they are not charged with a level of crime that the sentence would apply to.

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    Re: Felony charge dropped because it could affect wealth manager's job

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    mandatory sentencing is exactly that... sentencing... after a guilty verdict. You can't give someone a mandatory sentence if they are not charged with a level of crime that the sentence would apply to.
    But if the crime carries a certian number of years in prison then some prosecutor or judge can not lower the crime.
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    Re: Felony charge dropped because it could affect wealth manager's job

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Seems it also comes from the wealthy being able to afford paying for a prosecutor as well. LOL.
    If that is the case then the prosecutor should be investigated and charged. But that's hardly a government provided advantage to the rich as some claim. I was responding to a socialist's claim not your original post.



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    Re: Felony charge dropped because it could affect wealth manager's job

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Their wealth gives them access to the part of our legal system that allows $500 an hour attorneys that enable clients to buy their way out of trouble.
    that is not a government provided advantage

    that comes from the rich being able to afford counsel

    and here in my district a 10 million dollar defense bill did not save Steve Warshack (Smiling Bob-the trouser snake oil salesman) from getting 25 years in the federal slammer.



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    Re: Felony charge dropped because it could affect wealth manager's job

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is not a government provided advantage

    that comes from the rich being able to afford counsel
    And it is the system that allows such counsel to manipulate it to favor his client.

    and here in my district a 10 million dollar defense bill did not save Steve Warshack (Smiling Bob-the trouser snake oil salesman) from getting 25 years in the federal slammer.
    Compared to how many other millionaires that have gone free?
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    Re: Felony charge dropped because it could affect wealth manager's job

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    And it is the system that allows such counsel to manipulate it to favor his client.


    Compared to how many other millionaires that have gone free?
    tell me all the cases where "millionaires who were guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" managed to go free versus say poor black gangbangers who went free because witnesses were killed or afraid to testify

    I have seen a few hundred felony federal criminal trials in my career and they mainly involve "poor" (in the sense that the 1040s filed by the mopes don't indicate much money-few report cocaine sales proceeds) defendants charged with drug, robbery or weapons offenses and somewhat prosperous white collar fraud defendants. And I have yet to see anyone in the latter get off because they had really good lawyers or they "bought" their way out

    has that happened? I am sure it has but I can also tell you the guy who did most of the Federal public defender cases in the SD of OHio is now a partner in one of the best firms in the country doing the same work.



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    Re: Felony charge dropped because it could affect wealth manager's job

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tell me all the cases where "millionaires who were guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" managed to go free versus say poor black gangbangers who went free because witnesses were killed or afraid to testify
    Not being an encyclopedia of legal case histories, I couldnt possibly answer this question.

    I have seen a few hundred felony federal criminal trials in my career and they mainly involve "poor" (in the sense that the 1040s filed by the mopes don't indicate much money-few report cocaine sales proceeds) defendants charged with drug, robbery or weapons offenses and somewhat prosperous white collar fraud defendants. And I have yet to see anyone in the latter get off because they had really good lawyers or they "bought" their way out
    You aren't familiar with the concept of settling out of court?
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    Re: Felony charge dropped because it could affect wealth manager's job

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Not being an encyclopedia of legal case histories, I couldnt possibly answer this question.

    You aren't familiar with the concept of settling out of court?
    in civil cases that happens most of the time

    in criminal cases that means a plea bargain. under the current federal sentencing guidelines (no longer mandatory after "Booker") the breaks Mopes get are far less meaning many more are going to trial especially if they have a PD or an EAJ (appointed by the court free lawyer) counsel. wealth doesn't play much if any role in plea bargaining in criminal cases from what I have seen



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    Re: Felony charge dropped because it could affect wealth manager's job

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    in civil cases that happens most of the time

    in criminal cases that means a plea bargain. under the current federal sentencing guidelines (no longer mandatory after "Booker") the breaks Mopes get are far less meaning many more are going to trial especially if they have a PD or an EAJ (appointed by the court free lawyer) counsel. wealth doesn't play much if any role in plea bargaining in criminal cases from what I have seen
    Wealth can get one a better counsel that can manipulate a broken system and get a lower sentence or the case dismissed
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    Re: Felony charge dropped because it could affect wealth manager's job

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Wealth can get one a better counsel that can manipulate a broken system and get a lower sentence or the case dismissed
    prove it. I haven't seen it to any extent that makes it relevant

    and it has nothing to do with de jure benefits huge tax payers get for paying 1000 times more taxes than the average voter.

    do you know what the average income tax bill is in the USA?



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