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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    It used to be that the sun never set on the British empire. Those days are gone, and now it is setting on the Empire which supplanted it.

    It ain't over yet my hopeful friend.


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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Because I believe we are exceptional. Show me a country that does as much for the world as we do.

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    I don't understand this right-wing obsession with American nationalism. It completely goes against what states rights advocates are trying to accomplish. I identify myself with my state. My state identifies best what my culture and heritage is, not the U.S. as a whole. The United States is just a union, or a federation, and the federal government should have a limited role as was intended by our founding fathers. Some conservatives claim they are states rights advocates but then wave around American flags and sing God bless America like its already 4th of July. I have never seen a supposed states rights activist with their state flag hanging outside of their house (except for Texans) or wearing shirts or hats with their state flag on it. J-mac, can you really identify yourself with people from New York or California? Are you proud to be associated with them? I can tell you that I certainly can't identify with the South Carolina culture or government, and to me, the only relationship between my state and South Carolina should be through the federal government's limited roles of regulating trade and for national defense when the United States is being attacked.

    You talk about the U.S. as if you are talking about your favorite sports team. This isn't football or baseball, this is politics and government, and the U.S. wasn't supposed to be a country, our founding fathers only intended for it to be a union between small countries or what we call states. "The U.S. is the best and all the rest suck!" type of mentality should be kept on the sports field.

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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    I don't understand this right-wing obsession with American nationalism. It completely goes against what states rights advocates are trying to accomplish. I identify myself with my state. My state identifies best what my culture and heritage is, not the U.S. as a whole. The United States is just a union, or a federation, and the federal government should have a limited role as was intended by our founding fathers. Some conservatives claim they are states rights advocates but then wave around American flags and sing God bless America like its already 4th of July. I have never seen a supposed states rights activist with their state flag hanging outside of their house (except for Texans) or wearing shirts or hats with their state flag on it. J-mac, can you really identify yourself with people from New York or California? Are you proud to be associated with them? I can tell you that I certainly can't identify with the South Carolina culture or government, and to me, the only relationship between my state and South Carolina should be through the federal government's limited roles of regulating trade and for national defense when the United States is being attacked.

    You talk about the U.S. as if you are talking about your favorite sports team. This isn't football or baseball, this is politics and government, and the U.S. wasn't supposed to be a country, our founding fathers only intended for it to be a union between small countries or what we call states. "The U.S. is the best and all the rest suck!" type of mentality should be kept on the sports field.

    Well, we are a country, as well as a collection of states within that country. I have lived in at least 5 different states in my adult life, as well as another country, and traveled all 48 continental states. The one thing that flies in the face of what you say is that this collection of states considers itself one. Take a good look at your money friend. E Pluribus unum - From many, one. You don't like that?

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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

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    You don't like that?

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    No. I believe states should be autonomous and that the federal governments role should be limited to national defense, trade regulation and protection of human rights in extreme cases. Taking 50 diverse states with different histories, ethnic makeups, ideologies, income levels and cultures, is the reason the country is such a divided mess today and the reason our congress is constantly in a gridlock. I have a state flag hanging outside of my house, not an American one. You can call that anti-American if you want, and that's fine. I don't like many of the politics, cultures and histories of several states in this union. When people think of Mississippi, I certainly don't want them to associate that place with me or my culture. And if we both wave the same flag then they will.

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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    No. I believe states should be autonomous and that the federal governments role should be limited to national defense, trade regulation and protection of human rights in extreme cases. Taking 50 diverse states with different histories, ethnic makeups, ideologies, income levels and cultures, is the reason the country is such a divided mess today and the reason our congress is constantly in a gridlock. I have a state flag hanging outside of my house, not an American one. You can call that anti-American if you want, and that's fine. I don't like many of the politics, cultures and histories of several states in this union. When people think of Mississippi, I certainly don't want them to associate that place with me or my culture. And if we both wave the same flag then they will.
    Well, I would hope that unity would be part of our thinking as a country. That may not be true for all. But I sure wouldn't let the past sully what we have grown into, or accomplished as a nation to help others in the world. You want to be separate fine, go with that, I have the feeling you are in a tiny minority.

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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I have the feeling you are in a tiny minority.

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    Most conservatives want autonomous states with very limited federal government. This is not a "tiny minority" position whatsoever. The only difference with me is that I see the hypocrisy in that ideology while waving around the American flag ever day. I also see the hyprocrisy in waving around the American flag and claiming a potent national pride and then bashing other states like California and New York and Hawaii as "crazy" and "whacko" for their policies and cultures. You can't pick and choose what states are in the union. If you claim to love America you must love all states and all political ideologies that are American.

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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    Most conservatives want autonomous states with very limited federal government. This is not a "tiny minority" position whatsoever. The only difference with me is that I see the hypocrisy in that ideology while waving around the American flag ever day. I also see the hyprocrisy in waving around the American flag and claiming a potent national pride and then bashing other states like California and New York and Hawaii as "crazy" and "whacko" for their policies and cultures. You can't pick and choose what states are in the union. If you claim to love America you must love all states and all political ideologies that are American.

    I think you mistake criticism for love or hate of anything.


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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think you mistake criticism for love or hate of anything.


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    Regardless of my views, you seem more interested with maintaining an image than actually fixing the problem of America's declining economy. Obama didn't say anything that was untrue. So, according to you, he should lie, either based on reasons of pride or a belief that simply saying America's economy is as dominant as it was 20 years ago will somehow make it true. I'm more interested in Obama improving economic relationships with countries with rising economies and taking a realistic approach to our current situation. I know it hurts your pride to hear him say that, kind of like hearing the coach of your favorite football team finally admit they are no longer the powerhouse they used to be, but simply denying doesn't change the facts and what everybody else already knows.

    As for whether we should try to get back in the "number 1 spot", again, we aren't talking about college football rankings so I just don't see why being in the number one spot really matters. As long as our national defense is strong enough to thwart off any invasions, and our economy is strong enough to keep a high standard of living, what the hell do I care about were our union is ranked amongst the rest of the world? You say you've been to a lot of countries, so then you must know, people in Japan, France, South Korea, the UK, Argentina, etc. are living just fine and could give a sh*t that they aren't ranked number one in UN reports. Blending sports and politics doesn't mix.

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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    Regardless of my views, you seem more interested with maintaining an image than actually fixing the problem of America's declining economy.
    Fixing the problem of America's declining economy? Me? Myself? Dude, I am but a lowly truck driver trying to pay my bills and take care of my family, and have a little fun posting on a message board. If you think you are 'fixing' anything with your words then you really have issues far beyond what I can offer you...


    Obama didn't say anything that was untrue. So, according to you, he should lie, either based on reasons of pride or a belief that simply saying America's economy is as dominant as it was 20 years ago will somehow make it true.
    There was a time when America believed in what its President said, and had some sense that he knew of, and trumpeted American exceptionalism. Those days seem sadly gone....Tell me If Obama is on this trip to drum up business for America, then he is a crappy salesman. Would you buy a car from a guy that starts out his sales pitch with, "It's ok"?


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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So here we go....Before this trip, I thought to myself, just another apology, America sucks tour stop. But this seems to go further now. Obama seems to relish in the idea of unpegging America as a superpower. So my question is how do you see it? Are we the dominant force in the world anymore? And should we be?


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    IT is to be expected given Obama's administration has spent two years trying to degrade America's standing in the world. The left has -at best-ambivalence towards AMerican Primacy and status. Many are even worse, they actively hate America being the most powerful and best nation in the world.



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