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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    it's poor national self esteem. It's a terrible thing. Just sad. :coffeepa:


    So is smugness

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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What could we do to get back to the number one slot, or should we even bother?


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    I think we should realize that a nation consisting of 5% of the world's population is not going to dominate or control the other 95% for any sustainable period. It doesn't work well. Ask the Romans and the British.

    To think that we shouldn't have to work with the other 95% on, say, the world's oceans and their resources, is just plain arrogant.
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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    the American government is not in any sort of trouble. The recession that started in 2007 and brought about public funds to bail corporations is not a sign of fault in American governance. The private sector is/was the rotten apple. Our government is a highly specialized colossus. America's private sector is in decline.
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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    If America declines at least it will decline gracefully unlike the Romans. Who knows it may even be better for having multiple smaller superpowers controlling things instead of one large one.

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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    “I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.”- James Baldwin

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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    the American government is not in any sort of trouble. The recession that started in 2007 and brought about public funds to bail corporations is not a sign of fault in American governance. The private sector is/was the rotten apple. Our government is a highly specialized colossus. America's private sector is in decline.
    Hmmmmmmmmmm........ :strokes goatee:..

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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    So is smugness
    True. And if calling something what it is is smugness, so be it.

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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I guess my first question is how is admitting reality an apology?

    Now to answer your questions.

    1. I believe that America is growing more slowly while other, less developed, countries are catching up. This means the balance of power is shifting.
    2. I would like the US to continue being the dominant power because I believe our society is much more moral than China's, but there is no denying their economic growth.
    Being dominant
    And being moral

    Are two very different things.

    Looking into our history at some ways in which we *became dominant* I honestly don't believe it involved "being moral" at all.

    History of the world proves that morality and governance does not a dominant country make. The power to wage wars, treat people unfairly and unjustly and to rape your country of it's resources is the only way most countries have become "dominant" over others - hence it being called "dominant"

    And by this I mean: the Chinese (in their past), the Greeks, the Romans, the Egyptians, The Incas, Turks, Vikings, British, Spanish, Russians, Portuguese

    All of these - dominant by means of extorting natural resources, but first a foremost: from abusing and misusing it citizenship to their aristocratic desires and whims.

    Once you start actually caring about the 'little' people and the 'peasants' and the average folk in your country - it seems to be the undoing. Oh no!!
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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    There's nothing wrong with admitting the rise of powers, both militarily and economically, like Brazil, China, India, etc. Its simply reality, and thats all Obama is saying. J-Mac is simply assuming it means so much more because it feeds his self-righteousness, I mean the man is nothing if he can't complain about he's the only one who "gets it." I mean good Lord the guy is egotistical enough to remember to add his name to the bottom of every post.

    Anyway just because there are other economies rising, which will compete with America, through and because of globalization, the United States is still leaps and bounds ahead of these countries in military and economic power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    it's poor national self esteem. It's a terrible thing. Just sad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone
    So is smugness
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    True. And if calling something what it is is smugness, so be it.
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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    It used to be that the sun never set on the British empire. Those days are gone, and now it is setting on the Empire which supplanted it.
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