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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What is it that we don't do for the world? Who is first in with aid? Who is the leader in money given in aid to other countries?
    Sweden. The US is at the bottom of that list.

    Sure in total dollars it is first, but considering its economy and population that aint saying much. Only way to compare countries is per capita.. and here the US at the bottom. And if we add the EU as an entity, then the EU giving dwarfs that of the US.

    Who gives more charity {private} than any other country? Answer: We do.
    Not only is hard to prove, but much of the private charity the US gives.. goes to its own people, which you have to take out of any equation (for all countries too).

    What do we get in return? Demonized, and lied about, even by those in this country.

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    Republican is not equal to the US.
    Republican policies and right wing policies is not equal to the US.

    As for being demonized.. only Republicans are claiming this because it fits in their twisted world of playing the victim and rallying patriotism up to support them against the world. In reality most of the world gives jack **** about the US and only reacts when the US does something harmful against them or others (or in my case.. acts a hypocrite).. and like it or not, the US has done so for the last 50 years out of self interest. If it had not been for the Bush administration, the US standing in the world would still be pretty good.. but your dear leader pissed that away. Just think... the world was behind the US after 9/11... and as soon as Bush started to talk about Iraq... things changed.
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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    What is it that we don't do for the world? Who is first in with aid? Who is the leader in money given in aid to other countries? Who gives more charity {private} than any other country? Answer: We do. What do we get in return? Demonized, and lied about, even by those in this country.
    Cry me a river. Whining about how unfairly everyone treats you is what losers do, not superpowers. What matters is the strength of our economy and the power that it brings. We have squandered what we have with poor choices and we are facing the consequences of our failures. If we pretend that problems don't exist or simply whine about being treated unfairly, the problems are only going to get worse. We have forgotten that being on top takes the determination to shape your policy towards that end. That means we have to sacrifice what we want in favor of what we need.

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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Sweden. The US is at the bottom of that list.
    Absolutely untrue.

    Sure in total dollars it is first, but considering its economy and population that aint saying much. Only way to compare countries is per capita.. and here the US at the bottom. And if we add the EU as an entity, then the EU giving dwarfs that of the US.
    Again playing with numbers only shows your true disingenuousness on the subject. Let me lay out some facts for you:

    according to a November 2006 comparison done by the Charities Aid Foundation. In philanthropic giving as a percentage of gross domestic product, the U.S. ranked first at 1.7%. No. 2 Britain gave 0.73%, while France, with a 0.14% rate, trailed such countries as South Africa, Singapore, Turkey and Germany.

    Americans give record $295B to charity - USATODAY.com
    Not only is hard to prove, but much of the private charity the US gives.. goes to its own people, which you have to take out of any equation (for all countries too).
    Please cite your sources.

    Republican is not equal to the US.
    Republican policies and right wing policies is not equal to the US.

    As for being demonized.. only Republicans are claiming this because it fits in their twisted world of playing the victim and rallying patriotism up to support them against the world. In reality most of the world gives jack **** about the US and only reacts when the US does something harmful against them or others (or in my case.. acts a hypocrite).. and like it or not, the US has done so for the last 50 years out of self interest. If it had not been for the Bush administration, the US standing in the world would still be pretty good.. but your dear leader pissed that away. Just think... the world was behind the US after 9/11... and as soon as Bush started to talk about Iraq... things changed.
    Yes, yes, the big, mean ol US....Tell me, when the Tsunami hit who's ships were first on the scene? Germany's? British fleet? No, ours were. When the Pakistan disaster hit, who is there trying to get basic needs met? Europe? Nope. When Bush gave more to the African people for the combating of AIDS, more than anyone else has ever done, was he hurting them, or helping them? Your line of the US only doing bad, or self interested things is unproven by the facts, and when you realize that when the world wants a check, they turn to the US for that money, you tell me who would be better in that role, or even care enough to do it? China? Russia? Iran? Yeah right.


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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, yes, the big, mean ol US....Tell me, when the Tsunami hit who's ships were first on the scene? Germany's? British fleet? No, ours were. When the Pakistan disaster hit, who is there trying to get basic needs met? Europe? Nope. When Bush gave more to the African people for the combating of AIDS, more than anyone else has ever done, was he hurting them, or helping them? Your line of the US only doing bad, or self interested things is unproven by the facts, and when you realize that when the world wants a check, they turn to the US for that money, you tell me who would be better in that role, or even care enough to do it? China? Russia? Iran? Yeah right.


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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Cry me a river. Whining about how unfairly everyone treats you is what losers do, not superpowers. What matters is the strength of our economy and the power that it brings. We have squandered what we have with poor choices and we are facing the consequences of our failures. If we pretend that problems don't exist or simply whine about being treated unfairly, the problems are only going to get worse. We have forgotten that being on top takes the determination to shape your policy towards that end. That means we have to sacrifice what we want in favor of what we need.

    Yeah, How's that mind set worked for you all in Cali? Not so good I think.


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    Yeah, How's that mind set worked for you all in Cali? Not so good I think.
    If you think people in California share my mindset, you are sadly mistaken. The public and legislature went on a spending binge without increasing revenue precisely because they are unwilling to make the tough calls. You can see the greed in the initiative system, where only measures funded by bonds rather than taxes got passed.

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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    I agree that America has declined from what it use to be, but we are still a great country to live in and too raise a family. People with low self esteem are the ones that tend to be the hard core nationalist which Pride tends to be the down fall of a nation more often than other issues because we get to smug. I don't beleive America sucks it just reality that we aren't dominant anymore.
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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    People will go to great lengths to interpret Obama's statements as negatively as humanly possible. Always entertaining. Apparently admitting reality translates to a gleeful desire to see America fall.

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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    I agree that America has declined from what it use to be....

    Why? Monetarily only? And if that is the only reason, do you believe that downturns in our economy in the past had also at corresponding times made us less, or in decline?

    but we are still a great country to live in and too raise a family.
    Is that the only thing that matters, our own self interests in the immediate?

    People with low self esteem are the ones that tend to be the hard core nationalist which Pride tends to be the down fall of a nation more often than other issues because we get to smug.
    And your particular degree in psychoanalytical skill comes from where exactly?

    I don't beleive America sucks it just reality that we aren't dominant anymore.
    Why? What has happened to make that a reality?


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    Re: Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    People will go to great lengths to interpret Obama's statements as negatively as humanly possible. Always entertaining. Apparently admitting reality translates to a gleeful desire to see America fall.
    What makes this a reality in your mind?


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