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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok! First things first: thank you for your service.

    The fact that you're a butter-bar explains alot about your attitude. A word to the wise, that, "I know it all and everyone else is a dumbass", attitude you're sporting, will be the beginning and the end of your career. That's coming from an 11M/B40-H, with PLDC, BNCOC, ANCOC and 1SC under his belt; for what it's worth.

    When you get to a line unit and the drawdown takes place, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

    It takes one to know one I guess. And yes I served too.

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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

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    Intelligence spending is very small compared to defense, SS and Medicare. We need to rely less on military and more on intelligence to fight terrorism.
    This is untrue. Since 2001 the intelligence community has balooned so much that the government even has trouble keeping track of all the various organizations within it. People can bitch about the bureacracies involved in our other branches all they want, but none is nearly as much of a cluster **** as our intelligence community. It has actually slowed down information gathering and acting on information due to how massive it is.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Very true statement, JohnWOlin as detailed in the book, "Your Government Failed You," by Richard A. Clarke, former Deputy Asst Secretary for Intell, Asst Secretary of State and Nat'l Coord. for Security and Counter-terrorism.

    Per his book, Clarke estimates that U.S. Intelligence agencies - Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), FBI, DEA, Dept. of Homeland Security (DHS), the Nat'l Counter-Intelligence Center (NCTC; now known as the Terrorist Threat Integration Center or TTIC)), the Nat'l Recon Office (NRO) which conduct satelite intel and analyze the images, and the Nat'l Clandestine Service (NCS) who gathers the human intelligence - spend a combined total well in excess of $50 billion/annually. All to tell us there "might be" something amist "over there" we don't know enough about if we know anything about it at all. But in the interest of "national security"...
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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok! First things first: thank you for your service.

    The fact that you're a butter-bar explains alot about your attitude. A word to the wise, that, "I know it all and everyone else is a dumbass", attitude you're sporting, will be the beginning and the end of your career. That's coming from an 11M/B40-H, with PLDC, BNCOC, ANCOC and 1SC under his belt; for what it's worth.

    When you get to a line unit and the drawdown takes place, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.
    Advice to all young lts and captains...OIC does NOT mean you are in charge. Find your most senior and trusted NCO...attach yourself to his hip and follow, listen, observe...and anytime he tells you something your one and only response SHOULD be "Oh!...I see..." Do that and you might make a pretty decent "leader of men."
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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Here's the thing, for me to honestly consider myself principled I gotta be consistent. Your "that's not the reality of the situation" is the same argument democrats use to say that we need to have tax increases, because while sure tax cuts plus spending cuts helps the deficit, reality is that spending cuts will never happen. And much like I tell them "The only reason reality is what that way is because we continue to function, vote, and hold them to standards based on said reality. If we don't demand reality to change, it never will".

    So if the military budget gets cut by a small amount and the military tries to screw with necessary items for the troops then we as citizens need to rise up and say "no, get rid of your pet projects, get rid of some of the possible 'luxuries', and stop cutting basic necessities for the soldiers to try and strong arm us into giving you more of our money"

    I never said anything about screwing with, "necessities".

    I said that the DoD will cut things like, bonuses, soldier pay, dependent housing, troop strengths. The most expensive part of the military, are the troops. As I said before, the quickest and easiest way to cut costs in the military, is to have fewer soldiers. The quickest and easiest way to cut down the number of soldiers, other than just running people off, is to cut out the bells and whistles thereby encouraging soldiers to get out of the service.

    Soldiers are going to eat, have a roof over their heads, be issued uniforms--the necessities.

    However, when the defense budget is cut, everything gets cut across the board--bells and whistles for the soldiers, R&D, training, everything.

    When the bells and whistles are cut, soldiers are there, simply because they want to be there, not because their going to end their four-year tour, totally debt free, or because they're getting a bought and paid for college education.

    When R&D gets cut, all the super-duper-ass-kickin' weapons systems that makes the United States military the best armed fighting force in the history of the world, may not be there. Ask yourself: how much did it cost to develope the AT-4 anti-tank weapon? The M-60 machine gun? The M-1 main battle tank? The M-2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle? The Patriot anti-missile missile system? The M-40 sniper rifle? The M-24 sniper rifle? All tried-n-true weapons systems that allow our soldiers to do, "more damage, in less time than the enemy", to, show up, "the firstest, with the mostest", which is the single most important objective of warfare. The M-40 and the M-24, by themselves, ran into the millions.

    It's real easy to say, "we're going to get rid of the bad **** and keep the good ****", but that just ain't the way it works. The motis operandi that I described in an earlier post has been used in this country for more than 200 years, now. In 1996, when I got married, took my new bride to Germany and there was no post housing available at the Baumholder Kaserne and we had to pay out the ass--more than what our BAQ covered--to rent a ****hole apartment, off post, where the hell were you?? Didn't see ya'll risin' up then!!!

    The long and the short of it, is that when American sons and daughters are coming home in body bags, everyone suddenly gives a **** about our service members. Any other time, ya'll don't know and ya'll don't care.
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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Advice to all young lts and captains...OIC does NOT mean you are in charge. Find your most senior and trusted NCO...attach yourself to his hip and follow, listen, observe...and anytime he tells you something your one and only response SHOULD be "Oh!...I see..." Do that and you might make a pretty decent "leader of men."
    The reason that I was an E-7 (promotable to E-8), at age 30, was because I had an inate ability to recognize the people who were smarter, more experienced and more knowledgable that myself and exploit that intelligence, experience and knowledge.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The reason that I was an E-7 (promotable to E-8), at age 30, was because I had an inate ability to recognize the people who were smarter, more experienced and more knowledgable that myself and exploit that intelligence, experience and knowledge.
    Hell, I was raised by old Navy chiefs. Old school old Navy chiefs...the kind that wouldnt talk to an officer unless they were O-5s and above...LOTS of lessons learned...and I didnt fit in very well with the 'new' military...

    When discussing the military cuts...your tier...(mine too) the E-5 through E-8s...those were the ones most directly impacted. Left a massive hole and leadership void that I dont know we have EVER recovered from...

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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Rand Paul is a true Republican just like his daddy. Many Republicans have become independents during the Bush administration because of the out of control spending and neo-conservative foreign policies. We can start by shutting down bases in Europe and cutting out excess and wasteful spending in the DOD.

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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    Rand Paul is a true Republican just like his daddy. Many Republicans have become independents during the Bush administration because of the out of control spending and neo-conservative foreign policies. We can start by shutting down bases in Europe and cutting out excess and wasteful spending in the DOD.
    If we shut down bases in Europe, it will mean that American soldiers who are wounded on a foreign battlefield, will have to be flown all the way back to the states for extended medical care. That will end up costing soldiers's lives.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If we shut down bases in Europe, it will mean that American soldiers who are wounded on a foreign battlefield, will have to be flown all the way back to the states for extended medical care. That will end up costing soldiers's lives.
    Soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan who are wounded are only being treated in a handful of the 100+ military bases we have established overseas.

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