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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthy View Post
    I agree with Paul in that the Pentagon is filled with bureaucrats that need to be sent packing. I don't think of some of them as military people, they're "militicians" caring more about politics than success.

    This year, under Obama, has had the highest death toll to date.

    How can I overlook that? I have supported the reasons for Afghanistan and Iraq. Not because of partisanship but because i BELIEVED IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR OUR COUNTRY but am now concerned that we are leaderless, no plan to win.

    I used to wonder how many Americans had to die there for the left to figure out there were bad guys there. I gave up on that when the left touted the death toll not as a example of how bad they were but how bad Bush was, the more the terrorists killed, the harder the left attacked Bush. Never the killers.

    I knew Bush wanted to DEFEAT them, but now Obama has presided over more dead in one year. Who believes he cares? Wheres the evidence? How many should die while he dances on narcissistic feel good tours?

    Yes, the military should be on the table too, but not those serving while told "they've lost" but the creeps who try to force social policy while lives are on the line. Militicains we don't need.
    What?... Did I miss something here? Highest death toll for what?

    Iraq Body Count

    Total deaths?



    Death from gunfire?



    Suicide attack deaths?

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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

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    After the defense cuts take place, our troops will find themselves embroiled in a protracted conflict and lack equipment. Then what?

    The reality of defense cuts, is that the cuts start at the bottom and go up. Which means that Sgt. Joe, his wife and three kids aren't going to be able to get quarters on post, because of the cuts and, because of the cuts, his BAQ (basic allowance for quarters) will get cut. Combat arms troops won't be able to conduct as much live fire training, which will deny them the realistic training they need to be able to transition onto an actual battlefield. Specialized training will be cut back, meaning that fewer soldiers will be qualified outside their primary MOS.

    Training, is the first thing that suffers when cuts are made to the defense budget.
    You mean like the Base Closure Commission? Oh wait, that one doesn't work. You mean lie canceling the funding for unneeded new gear? Oh wait, that one doesn't work either. I am sure you can actually document your claim that this is how it is, you would never make wild claims without backing them up.
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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course there is. But, the DoD is given, "X", dollars each year and told to spend it as they wish. Typically, their wish is to keep the high dollar R&D projects and make the cuts on the bottom end; where individual soldiers are affected the most.
    I don't think this is true, but again I am sure you can back up your claim.
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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    [QUOTE=Hatuey;1059089002]What?... Did I miss something here? Highest death toll for what?

    Yes, it's called Afghanistan.

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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What?... Did I miss something here? Highest death toll for what?
    Yes, it's called Afghanistan.
    Ah apologies, your post gave the impression that Obama had a higher death toll for both wars. So what you're saying is that because Obama has 'presided over more dead in one year' he wants the troops to do badly for his own political gain? Does that apply to all wars or just this one? Does it apply to the war while Obama is President? Or does it also apply to Bush's presidency? Because if we go by your logic in 2003, Bush wanted the troops in Iraq to lose while wanting those in Afghanistan to win. I mean after all, this is the same administration who thought we'd be greeted as liberators in Iraq and everything would work itself out within a few months. I'm sorry, I'm trying to make sense out of your post.
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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthy View Post
    I agree with Paul in that the Pentagon is filled with bureaucrats that need to be sent packing. I don't think of some of them as military people, they're "militicians" caring more about politics than success.

    This year, under Obama, has had the highest death toll to date.

    How can I overlook that? I have supported the reasons for Afghanistan and Iraq. Not because of partisanship but because i BELIEVED IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR OUR COUNTRY but am now concerned that we are leaderless, no plan to win.

    I used to wonder how many Americans had to die there for the left to figure out there were bad guys there. I gave up on that when the left touted the death toll not as a example of how bad they were but how bad Bush was, the more the terrorists killed, the harder the left attacked Bush. Never the killers.

    I knew Bush wanted to DEFEAT them, but now Obama has presided over more dead in one year. Who believes he cares? Wheres the evidence? How many should die while he dances on narcissistic feel good tours?

    Yes, the military should be on the table too, but not those serving while told "they've lost" but the creeps who try to force social policy while lives are on the line. Militicains we don't need.
    the US spend as much as the next 27 countries combind on its military. china, england, russia, isreal, all of em...COMBIMNED. its not an "either" "or" thing. they can cut military spending AND increase social spending, were they so inclined.
    There's plenty for all.

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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    My opinion of Rand Paul just inched slightly upward. Let's see how serious he is.

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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Robert Gates so far seems to different, hence the cut for the F22 program, the fact he did not want the extra heavy lift cargo jets congress demanded. He would from what I understand like to cut the DDX frigette program as well but politics prevents that
    There's a difference between cutting a single R&D program and cutting the entire defense budget.
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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You mean like the Base Closure Commission? Oh wait, that one doesn't work. You mean lie canceling the funding for unneeded new gear? Oh wait, that one doesn't work either. I am sure you can actually document your claim that this is how it is, you would never make wild claims without backing them up.
    For someone with an extensive military career, there sure is alotta stuff you don't know. Why is that?
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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

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