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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

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    Cutting foreign aid should be the first military spending cut back. Im sick of subsidizing other countries.
    Economic globalization is reality, and whether or not we like the idea of that, it's presence is not debatable. I fail to see the benefit of eliminating foreign aid outside of the staggering 40 billion dollars (at most) that we'd save. There are more worthwhile and less damaging pockets of fat we could cut.
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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    In all honesty I just reported for active duty on Oct 5th this year. But I'm scheduled to report to the 46th TC company of the 501st Sustainment Brigade in Camp Stanley Korea in March. Currently I'm at Ft. Lee VA attending Transportation Corp BOLC, Basic officer leadership course, so I'm a logistican.

    But I can tell you from the NCO talk and instructor talk is that the Army is planning on a serious down-sizing in the next 2-6 years and it plans to be ready by having soldiers prepared to function in multiple fields so it doesn't end up with serious shortages or excesses in one MOS when all the smoke has cleared.
    Ok! First things first: thank you for your service.

    The fact that you're a butter-bar explains alot about your attitude. A word to the wise, that, "I know it all and everyone else is a dumbass", attitude you're sporting, will be the beginning and the end of your career. That's coming from an 11M/B40-H, with PLDC, BNCOC, ANCOC and 1SC under his belt; for what it's worth.

    When you get to a line unit and the drawdown takes place, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.
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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    There has got to be some wasteful spending they could do away with, don't you think? I have faith in our newly elected officials to take care of our military.
    Of course there is. But, the DoD is given, "X", dollars each year and told to spend it as they wish. Typically, their wish is to keep the high dollar R&D projects and make the cuts on the bottom end; where individual soldiers are affected the most.
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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Spot on, cut the Military Budget by 5%.

    Then go to the various entitlement programs and various "general welfare" type programs that are luxuries, not necessities, of what the government is supposed to do and cut enough from all those to total the same amount of money that 5% equals.

    That'd cut almost 70 billion dollars out of the budget alone.

    If the MILITARY decides to take their budget and decides to screw over those on the ground rather than cutting some high end experimental projects or to attempt to examine fraud and waste more or other measures then bitch, complain, and condemn the military individuals that are making that choice. The congress can cut spending, but they don't choose where those cuts go. You don't get to act like you're incapable of being cut by threatening to deal with it in a crappy manner and act like its their fault if you act that way.

    To give an analogy, if I set my houses budget to be $90 every two weeks rather than $100 and my wife chooses to continue to go out to happy hour every tuesday and spend $30 on drinks but stops buying milk and bread while shopping, the fact we're not getting essentials that we need is on HER not on ME because she's choosing to be irresponsible with the money. It could only be blamed on me if every other none-necessity had already been removed from the budget and THEN I cut it, costing her to pick which necessity to get rid of.

    Kudos to Paul at being realistic about this. We can't deal with the cost of government without dealing with all of it open and honestly. There's no reason why the defense budget shouldn't be our largest singular budgetary item, and I honestly have no issue with it being huge compared to other countries, but its ridiculous to also act like its a holy cow that can not be touched. We do the military with the government because it makes the most sense and is part of their job, but that doesn't magically change it from being the same thing as any other government bureaucracy...inefficient, bloated, and needing to be checked at times.

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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Close the bases in Europe.
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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course there is. But, the DoD is given, "X", dollars each year and told to spend it as they wish. Typically, their wish is to keep the high dollar R&D projects and make the cuts on the bottom end; where individual soldiers are affected the most.
    Exactly, so rather than getting upset about politicians making a reasonable suggestion, we should be upset at members of the DOD who are putting their pet projects at a higher priority than our troops, and who are holding our pocket books hostage through the ransoming of our troops well being.

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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course there is. But, the DoD is given, "X", dollars each year and told to spend it as they wish. Typically, their wish is to keep the high dollar R&D projects and make the cuts on the bottom end; where individual soldiers are affected the most.
    Robert Gates so far seems to different, hence the cut for the F22 program, the fact he did not want the extra heavy lift cargo jets congress demanded. He would from what I understand like to cut the DDX frigette program as well but politics prevents that
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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok! First things first: thank you for your service.

    The fact that you're a butter-bar explains alot about your attitude. A word to the wise, that, "I know it all and everyone else is a dumbass", attitude you're sporting, will be the beginning and the end of your career. That's coming from an 11M/B40-H, with PLDC, BNCOC, ANCOC and 1SC under his belt; for what it's worth.

    When you get to a line unit and the drawdown takes place, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.
    Trust me, I don't act the same way here that I do there haha.

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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    maybe paul is talking about not giving haliburton $10000 to build a toilet, instead of actual cuts on personel.



    70% of the intelligence budget is given to private institutions, maybe we do for ourselves what we've had greedy, profit driven institutions doing for us.



    maybe the defense spending cuts won't affect day to day operations, but will instead address the waste associated with government spending on the private sector.
    There's plenty for all.

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    Re: Sen.-elect Paul: GOP must consider military cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    After the defense cuts take place, our troops will find themselves embroiled in a protracted conflict and lack equipment. Then what?

    The reality of defense cuts, is that the cuts start at the bottom and go up. Which means that Sgt. Joe, his wife and three kids aren't going to be able to get quarters on post, because of the cuts and, because of the cuts, his BAQ (basic allowance for quarters) will get cut. Combat arms troops won't be able to conduct as much live fire training, which will deny them the realistic training they need to be able to transition onto an actual battlefield. Specialized training will be cut back, meaning that fewer soldiers will be qualified outside their primary MOS.

    Training, is the first thing that suffers when cuts are made to the defense budget.
    I agree with Paul in that the Pentagon is filled with bureaucrats that need to be sent packing. I don't think of some of them as military people, they're "militicians" caring more about politics than success.

    This year, under Obama, has had the highest death toll to date.

    How can I overlook that? I have supported the reasons for Afghanistan and Iraq. Not because of partisanship but because i BELIEVED IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR OUR COUNTRY but am now concerned that we are leaderless, no plan to win.

    I used to wonder how many Americans had to die there for the left to figure out there were bad guys there. I gave up on that when the left touted the death toll not as a example of how bad they were but how bad Bush was, the more the terrorists killed, the harder the left attacked Bush. Never the killers.

    I knew Bush wanted to DEFEAT them, but now Obama has presided over more dead in one year. Who believes he cares? Wheres the evidence? How many should die while he dances on narcissistic feel good tours?

    Yes, the military should be on the table too, but not those serving while told "they've lost" but the creeps who try to force social policy while lives are on the line. Militicains we don't need.

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