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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    "Yes, and as history has shown, laws designed to address the extreme fringes have never been used against anyone else."



    I don't think libel should be a crime, so you're barking up the wrong tree.
    So if someone was publically stating you were a child molester which caused you actual harm you should not be able to sue them or have them punished in any way shape or form?
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So if someone was publically stating you were a child molester which caused you actual harm you should not be able to sue them or have them punished in any way shape or form?
    ...where are you getting this from?

    Libel is a civil offense that is remedied with monetary damages. That's how it should work. That does not mean it is a crime.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    "Yes, and as history has shown, laws designed to address the extreme fringes have never been used against anyone else."
    That's a nice platitude. Now, can you demonstrate how the law that was used against the politician has been used in the past in a despotic fashion?

    Not to mention, the decision caused another byelection. For all we know the same party could be elected. The people still have direct input.

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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    That's a nice platitude. Now, can you demonstrate how the law that was used against the politician has been used in the past in a despotic fashion?
    ...did you not read what I just said?

    Not to mention, the decision caused another byelection. For all we know the same party could be elected. The people still have direct input.
    So you don't have a problem with the courts overturning the results of elections, so long as there's another election. Great.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    ...did you not read what I just said?
    I did. You made a vague platitude about history. Can you show how it's true of Britain as it pertains to this law?

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    So you don't have a problem with the courts overturning the results of elections, so long as there's another election. Great.
    It seems like people in Britain generally support this law, given how rarely it is invoked and the evidence required for its justifiable use. I think your chickle little attitude is just that... hyperbole and exaggeration. It's not the rise of fascism.

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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I did. You made a vague platitude about history. Can you show how it's true of Britain as it pertains to this law?
    When I say "Yes, and as history has shown, laws designed to address the extreme fringes have never been used against anyone else," I'm referring to the fact that just because it hasn't been misused in the past, it doesn't prove it won't be misused in the future.

    Not sure what else you want me to say here.

    It seems like people in Britain generally support this law, given how rarely it is invoked and the evidence required for its justifiable use.
    Oh, well if the people support it, it must be a good law!

    I think your chickle little attitude is just that... hyperbole and exaggeration. It's not the rise of fascism.
    lol, you're accusing me of hyperbole and exaggeration?

    Where did I say this was the rise of fascism? I said it's a bad law and that I find it disturbing, like much of the UK's approach to speech.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So you don't have a problem with the courts overturning the results of elections, so long as there's another election.
    I don't have a problem with the courts enforcing the law and punishing those who have been proven to have broken the law beyond reasonable doubt. You got a problem with the judiciary having any role in the maintenance of law and order during the electoral process?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I don't have a problem with the courts enforcing the law and punishing those who have been proven to have broken the law beyond reasonable doubt. You got a problem with the judiciary having any role in the maintenance of law and order during the electoral process?
    As I've stated over and over again, I have a serious problem with the UK's archaic approach toward speech. The judiciary is not in and of itself to blame for the crappy laws.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    As I've stated over and over again, I have a serious problem with the UK's archaic approach toward speech. The judiciary is not in and of itself to blame for the crappy laws.
    Yes, you've stated that, just never really explained it. I seriously have no idea what you mean unless what you are arguing that blatant lying in order to win an election should be protected behaviour under free speech laws. I can't believe you really believe that.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Yes, you've stated that, just never really explained it. I seriously have no idea what you mean unless what you are arguing that blatant lying in order to win an election should be protected behaviour under free speech laws. I can't believe you really believe that.
    Yes, I do. I wish I could say I'm flabbergasted that you think it shouldn't be, but it's no surprise. Europe has so much to learn about free speech.

    Once again, if you think someone is a liar, there's a simple way to keep them out of office: DON'T ****ING VOTE FOR THEM.
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