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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm sorry that you think you need a judge to tell you whether a politician is lying or not.

    I'm sorry that you think an unelected branch of government should be able to veto the results of elections based on an arbitrary determination of accuracy.

    I wonder how many people applauding this move ever stopped to think about what it would be like if the party that they don't like decided to use this against their preferred candidates.
    If the lies cross over into being libelous, I would have no issue with it being used against any candidate
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm sorry that you think you need a judge to tell you whether a politician is lying or not.
    You can tell when Woolas is lying; his lips move. I don't need a judge to tell me that, but to do something about it.
    I'm sorry that you think an unelected branch of government should be able to veto the results of elections based on an arbitrary determination of accuracy.
    You seem to have a weird definition of arbitrary. I don't believe the judges based their decision on random choice or whim, it wasn't autocratic and was definitely conducted within strict evidential limitations. Your use of the word is invalid.

    I wonder how many people applauding this move ever stopped to think about what it would be like if the party that they don't like decided to use this against their preferred candidates.
    I'd hope that a party I supported would not resort to using fallacious, racial baiting materials during their election campaign. It is for just such cases that the Representation of the People Acts were framed and it was under that legislation that he was stripped of his parliamentary seat. An appeal is pending but he has already been permanently ejected from the Labour Party.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    An appeal is pending but he has already been permanently ejected from the Labour Party.
    He won't win and even on the slim chance he does. His political career is over (thank god!)

    Harman was pretty impressive in this weeks PMQ's.


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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    He won't win and even on the slim chance he does. His political career is over (thank god!)

    Harman was pretty impressive in this weeks PMQ's.
    I'm afraid that I can't stand her either, but on this issue she did the right thing.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    There is a reason why this is the first judgement in 100 years.

    The fool even had leaflets and a paper trail

    He deserved to be anally shafted by the law
    Oh, well that makes it okay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    If the lies cross over into being libelous, I would have no issue with it being used against any candidate
    Did the guy who had been criticized sue him for libel? Did he win? Why is that not sufficient?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You can tell when Woolas is lying; his lips move. I don't need a judge to tell me that, but to do something about it.
    God forbid you just vote against him or not listen.

    You seem to have a weird definition of arbitrary. I don't believe the judges based their decision on random choice or whim, it wasn't autocratic and was definitely conducted within strict evidential limitations. Your use of the word is invalid.
    The point is that what one person considers a lie, another might consider to be merely stretching the truth or offering an opinion. There's a reason why libel is a civil matter in the US.

    I'd hope that a party I supported would not resort to using fallacious, racial baiting materials during their election campaign.
    Yes, and as history has shown, laws designed to address the extreme fringes have never been used against anyone else.

    It is for just such cases that the Representation of the People Acts were framed and it was under that legislation that he was stripped of his parliamentary seat. An appeal is pending but he has already been permanently ejected from the Labour Party.
    And was the Labour Party incapable of ejecting him prior to this court decision?
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm afraid that I can't stand her either, but on this issue she did the right thing.
    I agree

    I must admit, I do chuckle when I see that leaflet. He must have been high or something


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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Oh, well that makes it okay.
    Yeah, it does actually. This judgement is rare in UK for a reason.

    He got caught red handed like a fool knowing that he was breaking the law. He deserves to have been stripped of his seat and been banned from public office. His career is as good as dead


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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm sorry that you think you need a judge to tell you whether a politician is lying or not.

    I'm sorry that you think an unelected branch of government should be able to veto the results of elections based on an arbitrary determination of accuracy.

    I wonder how many people applauding this move ever stopped to think about what it would be like if the party that they don't like decided to use this against their preferred candidates.
    I'm sorry that you don't seem to grasp the fact that this kind of court ruling is incredibly rare and requires an abundance of evidence for the court to take action.

    I'm also sorry that you don't understand what it means to be a Parliamentary Democracy and Constitutional Monarchy.

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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post


    Did the guy who had been criticized sue him for libel? Did he win? Why is that not sufficient?
    I would suggest it is not sufficient if the person won the election based on the libel. The whole profiting from a crime thing
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I'm sorry that you don't seem to grasp the fact that this kind of court ruling is incredibly rare and requires an abundance of evidence for the court to take action.
    "Yes, and as history has shown, laws designed to address the extreme fringes have never been used against anyone else."

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I would suggest it is not sufficient if the person won the election based on the libel. The whole profiting from a crime thing
    I don't think libel should be a crime, so you're barking up the wrong tree.
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