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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What I find disturbing is that you and others seem to accept that it is okay for anyone, let alone a person trying to gain a position of power, to lie...
    If you think that's what I said, you should reread my posts.

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    "I don't think X should be a criminal offense" =/= "I think X is awesome and everyone should do it."
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What I find disturbing is that you and others seem to accept that it is okay for anyone, let alone a person trying to gain a position of power, to lie... .. Is that really what US politics has come down too... the better liar?

    That anyone can accept that it is okay for a candidate in any type of election to use fear and lies (not to mention racism) in a power grab... is frankly shocking. It should be the duty of anyone (especially the media) to expose such persons for who they are, and make sure they never ever win.

    Sadly I admit that it does happen more than I would like, that candidates are successful in using such dishonourable tactics get elected, but that does not mean I (or anyone should), just sit back accept it and/or try to do the same for ones own candidate. We have to protect democracy and the integrity of the process as much as possible.
    So you support making lying a criminal offense. Got it.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So you support making lying a criminal offense. Got it.
    If you mean lying and smearing your opponent leads directly to you winning seats. Yes.

    That bastard thought it was funny to use race and stir up hate to get his seat. His ass got knocked down. As I said, he ought to be on his knees kissing those judges feet for being so soft with him
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    And you people have the nerve to criticize the US for violations of rights. Hoo-boy.

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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court



    This is sooo the same as torturing.


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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post


    This is sooo the same as torturing.
    Yeah. That's the only thing that gets criticized.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yeah. That's the only thing that gets criticized.
    It's the biggest thing US gets criticised for when it comes to rights of others


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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    I respect the UK for having laws that keep politicians in check. Campaigns based on lies are not good for a healthy democracy.

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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    I had some dealings with Woolas 20+ years ago when I worked at Manchester City Council. The guy is scum. He would and did do whatever it took, ethical or otherwise, to promote himself. It came as no surprise at all to learn of this case and I'm glad the judges were prepared to make the point that blatant and provable lying that misleads the electorate and subverts the democratic process is not acceptable in a democracy. Clearly the clarity of the evidence in cases like this is very rare (first such case in over 100 years) but when it's proven the sanctions should be severe.

    To those who believe that lying should not be a criminal offence, you might like to check out the multitude of offences on the books for perjury, fraud, false claims and obstruction of justice. Lying IS a criminal offence in many contexts. I'm not saying Woolas should go to gaol, but the measure taken was proportionate, just and correct, IMHO.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    It's the biggest thing US gets criticised for when it comes to rights of others
    Not really. There's tons of internal stuff, too.
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