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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    In this particular case, the incriminating email made it clear that Woolas was making statements he knew to be false in order to rile up white voters. Under those circumstances I can understand the verdict. The problem is that I doubt similar cases would be so clear cut. Without a paper trail clearly demonstrating that the candidate was deliberately lying, it is nearly impossible to prove. The next candidate to engage in a smear campaign will simply use a phone call to avoid leaving evidence.

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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You would have civilized and cheaper elections. All the money used on false attack adds would poof
    No they wouldn't. They would just play the interpretation game.For example one politician might smear another who is against illegal immigration and say he is a racist and bigot. Then when he called out on those blatant lies he will just say that his interpretation of a racist and bigot includes those against illegal immigration.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Lib Dem support has fallen into single digit when before it wasn't. That is a very steep drop. Voters have left, councillors and MP's have defected to other parties.
    Lib Dems unpopularity is because they have to voters been seen to have left their roots, they have sided with the Conservatives and to Lib Dem Voters have abandoned some of their key pledges.
    But the LibDems would have had to side with somebody in order for Parliament to have a majority to make a government, wouldn't they? What's wrong with the LibDems siding with the Conservatives instead of with Labour?
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    But the LibDems would have had to side with somebody in order for Parliament to have a majority to make a government, wouldn't they? What's wrong with the LibDems siding with the Conservatives instead of with Labour?
    That it is going to cost them big time at the next elections. Plus they have more in common with Labour than the Conservatives.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The concept of lying about your opponent to gain advantage, or of being made lawfully accountable for your lies?
    The idea that you or anyone else should be able to subvert the democratic process by claiming that someone's political speech crossed an arbitrary line.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The idea that you or anyone else should be able to subvert the democratic process by claiming that someone's political speech crossed an arbitrary line.
    I think the arbitrary line is not to arbitrary, I would hope it would have to pass a test similar to a libel lawsuit, or breach of contract
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I think the arbitrary line is not to arbitrary, I would hope it would have to pass a test similar to a libel lawsuit, or breach of contract
    I believe that is the basis of the law/rule. It is political libel/slander and in this case with actual proof of it. That was after all what doomed him.. he left a paper trail that anyone could follow.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The idea that you or anyone else should be able to subvert the democratic process by claiming that someone's political speech crossed an arbitrary line.
    That "line" is the law. The Courts had sufficent evidence because of his paper trail and damning emails where he wanted to anger/scare Whites to vote for him.

    He deserved it, he ought to be on his knees kissing the shoes of those Judges for the fact he wasn't thrown in jail.


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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I think the arbitrary line is not to arbitrary, I would hope it would have to pass a test similar to a libel lawsuit, or breach of contract
    How is this even remotely like a breach of contract? If someone wants to sue him for libel, let them.

    Moreover, what makes you think that the line for this or libel isn't arbitrary? Can you tell me with certainty and objectivity whether or not something constitutes libel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    That "line" is the law. The Courts had sufficent evidence because of his paper trail and damning emails where he wanted to anger/scare Whites to vote for him.

    He deserved it, he ought to be on his knees kissing the shoes of those Judges for the fact he wasn't thrown in jail.
    The fact that you think lying about your political opponents (or even libel) should be a criminal offense is equally disturbing.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The fact that you think lying about your political opponents (or even libel) should be a criminal offense is equally disturbing.
    What I find disturbing is that you and others seem to accept that it is okay for anyone, let alone a person trying to gain a position of power, to lie... .. Is that really what US politics has come down too... the better liar?

    That anyone can accept that it is okay for a candidate in any type of election to use fear and lies (not to mention racism) in a power grab... is frankly shocking. It should be the duty of anyone (especially the media) to expose such persons for who they are, and make sure they never ever win.

    Sadly I admit that it does happen more than I would like, that candidates are successful in using such dishonourable tactics get elected, but that does not mean I (or anyone should), just sit back accept it and/or try to do the same for ones own candidate. We have to protect democracy and the integrity of the process as much as possible.
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