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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The case was brought under Section 106 of the Representation of the People Act (1983) which makes it an offence for anyone to publish "any false statement of fact in relation to the candidate's personal character or conduct" to prevent them being elected "unless he can show that he had reasonable grounds for believing, and did believe, that statement to be true".
    That's even worse. And yeah, under this standard, in my example above, Obama would be toast.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It takes a great deal of evidence to prove libel, this case in the UK was the first in around 100, years, the person in question left a trail of evidence stating he was going to lie about his opponent as a means to win the election ( he stated it was the only way for him to win


    Lets say both of us were opponents running for the same MP seat. Two days before the election I get a young girl to state publically you molested her, you dont have the time to disprove the accusation, and the public who would have voted for you, either vote for me or dont vote. I win the election due to the accusation. Would that not be a subversion of democracy to a far greater extend rather then the courts throwing out the results and having a new byelection for the riding?
    No, i think people should be allowed to lie but also that people should educate themselves in order to better recognize lies. Sooner or later people are going to have to use and rely on their own judgment rather than seeking help and protection from the government, which can often have a conflict of interest. Certainly we will elect liars and scoundrels but such is democracy. The people should be responsible for who they elect, not the courts.

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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's even worse. And yeah, under this standard, in my example above, Obama would be toast.
    Not really a strong case could be made for McCain supporting 100 years of war, certainly strong enough to indicate Obama had reasonable grounds for believing it, and did believe it

    What the court would require as it did in this case is evidence that the lie was not believed by the person making it, and that itwas intended to prevent McCain from being elected
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's even worse. And yeah, under this standard, in my example above, Obama would be toast.
    This has what to do with British law and British politics? Oh wait, nothing whatsover! I realise this is an American site but the parochial mindset of the denizens gets depressing.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Not really a strong case could be made for McCain supporting 100 years of war, certainly strong enough to indicate Obama had reasonable grounds for believing it, and did believe it
    No, McCain was talking about troops being left in country after the war is over, and he specifically cited South Korea and Germany as examples of what he's talking about. And his exact words were:

    That's fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed.
    If you'd like to make the case from it that he wants to continue a war, please do.


    What the court would require as it did in this case is evidence that the lie was not believed by the person making it
    Obama said:

    You know, John McCain wants to continue a war in Iraq perhaps as long as 100 years.
    According to the standard, Obama has to show that he believed or had reasonable grounds to believe that the statement is true. It does NOT have to be shown that he knew it to be false.


    and that itwas intended to prevent McCain from being elected
    Considering it was in the middle of the campaign, what else could it be intended to do?
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    This has what to do with British law and British politics? Oh wait, nothing whatsover! I realise this is an American site but the parochial mindset of the denizens gets depressing.
    Keep up with the convo.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, McCain was talking about troops being left in country after the war is over, and he specifically cited South Korea and Germany as examples of what he's talking about. And his exact words were:



    If you'd like to make the case from it that he wants to continue a war, please do.
    Ok not a problem

    He said as long as Americans are not being killed, injured etc, he said nothing about afghanis or other people just Americans. Does that mean he wants Americans to be injured or killed right now, of course not. He does not want americans to be killed or injured of course. He never stated he against being in a war for 100 years, just as long as US soldiers are not being killed
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Ok not a problem

    He said as long as Americans are not being killed, injured etc, he said nothing about afghanis or other people just Americans. Does that mean he wants Americans to be injured or killed right now, of course not. He does not want americans to be killed or injured of course. He never stated he against being in a war for 100 years, just as long as US soldiers are not being killed
    While making the comparison to 60 years in Germany and 50 in South Korea. There's no war there.

    Plus, in what war does only one side get harmed?
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    While making the comparison to 60 years in Germany and 50 in South Korea. There's no war there.

    Plus, in what war does only one side get harmed?
    One that is heavily using drones or long range missile attacks and sends out hired mercs to do the infantry fighting. Using my basis as the defense stating McCain wanted 100 years of war would be allowed, provided I did not leave a trail that indicated I didnt believe that is what McCain wanted, and that I was using that statement to hurt his chances at election. McCain would have to prove I knew what I said was a lie
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    This has what to do with British law and British politics? Oh wait, nothing whatsover! I realise this is an American site but the parochial mindset of the denizens gets depressing.
    The first to mention the Americans is apparently posting from London.

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