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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    They would have to prove that I was liar about Blair being a Liar first now would they not
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    You really have no idea what the courts might decide. Did he believe what he said was true at the time? Are there others involved?

    The political and judicial systems will now become plugged with claims by politicians that their opponents "lied", as though the electorate can't discern the differences themselves and make their own mistakes.

    This is a horrific precedent and will lead to massive abuse over the coming years. It's another nail in John Bull's coffin.

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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Libel is a generally non-enforced precept of the American Constitution. We love freedom of speech too much.
    Libel isn't mentioned in the Constitution.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Which explains the constant lying American media, politicians and in general everyone are doing on a daily basis. The truth has become a premium in the US.. and a rarity
    Ah. Up with the Ministry of Truth, eh?
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Ah. Up with the Ministry of Truth, eh?
    Idiotic statement. No wonder US elections are such a mess since the people accept the way they are run... lies and counter lies. Just think, the US use to be the becaon of truth, fairness and democracy.. now it is another banana republic in many ways, where the truth is defined by those with most power/money.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Idiotic statement. No wonder US elections are such a mess since the people accept the way they are run... lies and counter lies. Just think, the US use to be the becaon of truth, fairness and democracy.. now it is another banana republic in many ways, where the truth is defined by those with most power/money.
    The truth is defined by the audience. That's how it should stay.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Idiotic statement. No wonder US elections are such a mess since the people accept the way they are run... lies and counter lies. Just think, the US use to be the becaon of truth, fairness and democracy.. now it is another banana republic in many ways, where the truth is defined by those with most power/money.
    You don't get to the truth by letting the government declare what it is.

    And as for "used to bes," it was the Europeans who came up with that idea. Yeah, I guess we are backwards, being about the only place left which actually takes the principles of the Enlightenment seriously. Silly old ideas.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    The truth is defined by the audience. That's how it should stay.
    HELL no.. the truth is the truth. It is your attitude that have lead to the worst atrocities in human history, because the "audience" denied the truth or facts, and took it out on others.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You don't get to the truth by letting the government declare what it is.
    Er.. the government aint doing anything. The law in question has been on the books for a century and rarely used since the burden of proof is quite high. And the law does not dictate what the truth is, since the truth dictates that, and that has nothing to do with the government.

    Point is the truth itself can hold up to scrutiny if the process is fair.

    And as for "used to bes," it was the Europeans who came up with that idea. Yeah, I guess we are backwards, being about the only place left which actually takes the principles of the Enlightenment seriously. Silly old ideas.
    Hm sorry dont understand what you are trying to say here.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Er.. the government aint doing anything. The law in question has been on the books for a century and rarely used since the burden of proof is quite high. And the law does not dictate what the truth is, since the truth dictates that, and that has nothing to do with the government.

    Point is the truth itself can hold up to scrutiny if the process is fair.
    So a guy is legally stripped of his position for "lying," pursuant to a law, and that has "nothing to do with the government."


    Hm sorry dont understand what you are trying to say here.
    This is in no way surprising.
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    Re: MP stripped of his Parliamentary seat by court

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Idiotic statement. No wonder US elections are such a mess since the people accept the way they are run... lies and counter lies. Just think, the US use to be the becaon of truth, fairness and democracy.. now it is another banana republic in many ways, where the truth is defined by those with most power/money.
    But now truth will be defined by the courts, in whom you appear to have a great deal of trust. The people's selection will not count. The courts will look at a single issue in determining the outcome of an election and the people's choice be damned.

    I can hear the wheels grinding already as to which political party will control the Courts and then, thusly, The Truth!

    Opinions will now also be based on The Truth and The Truth, in this case, will surely not set you free.

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