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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    One unconfirmed source from a foreign newspaper?

    Care to prove it sir?

    Again was this the part where "honor is restored"?
    Do you have any source, outside of Krewe Obama, that proves me wrong?

    Might want to restore your own honor, which seriously wanting, by this time
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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Where do you get the idea that these bikes are going to be sold, strictly in India? 'Cause Lord Tammerlain says so?

    How many average Indians can afford a $20,000 Harley? Let's get real, for a minute.
    Harley-Davidson to build bikes in India - CNN

    The "complete knock down" plant or CKD is expected to be up and running in the northern Indian state of Haryana in first half of 2011. Parts made in America will be put together for the Indian market in Haryana.
    See, they'll be sold in India

    India is the second fastest growing two-wheeler market in the world behind China. More than 10 million two-wheelers were sold in India in the 2009-2010 fiscal year. Beyond the obvious market potential there is another major reason Harley-Davidson is building an assembly plant in India -- to bring down India's import duties which right now are so high Indian consumers pay double for fully assembled imported vehicles. Exporting just the parts to India could lower the import duty tariffs by around 80 percent according to Prakash.
    Obviously quite a large market for motorbikes.
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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    As Lord Tammerlain said, these bikes will be sold in India, so there is no transfer of jobs from America to India, just the creation of jobs in India.
    So our President has to take a trip over there so they can get some new jobs but the asshole cannot find a way to put Americans back to work.

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian
    Sure there is a transfer... the assembly jobs.

    If the motorcycles are to be sold here, they need to be assembled... if they are to be sold in India, they STILL need to be assembled. Normally, they'd be assembled here. Instead, they are being assembled in India.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    India most likely has a high tariff on assembled transportation products in order to encourage the manufacture or at least assembly of those goods in India, without being assembled in India the price of those motorcycles would be very high, most likely resulting in very few sales. By providing kits for assembly in India, more motorcyles will be sold, employeing more americans.

    BMW, MB and most german automakers follow the same route when selling cars in quite a few countries.

    FYI, the jobs are not transferred if they would not have existed in the first place
    there's a lot of supposition in those statements. Without something to back them up, that's pretty much all you have there... supposition.

    If this was going to result in an increase in sales, why did Harley just recently sign contracts with it's union that will result on hundreds of layoffs? In fact, the Kansas City plant has laid off 400-500 people in the last few years. You think they'd want to gain back some of those jobs here in the states. Instead, they will be sending them to India.

    http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/568/83...y-Workers.aspx
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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    So our President has to take a trip over there so they can get some new jobs but the asshole cannot find a way to put Americans back to work.
    Who do you think is building the bikes the Indians assemble?

    And I suggest reading the CNN article in the OP

    Obama announced Saturday that about 54,000 U.S. jobs will be created by $10 billion in new contracts for the Indian government and private companies here to buy a slew of American products, including jet airplanes from Boeing as well as engines and gas turbine technology from General Electric.
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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    there's a lot of supposition in those statements. Without something to back them up, that's pretty much all you have there... supposition.

    If this was going to result in an increase in sales, why did Harley just recently sign contracts with it's union that will result on hundreds of layoffs? In fact, the Kansas City plant has laid off 400-500 people in the last few years. You think they'd want to gain back some of those jobs here in the states. Instead, they will be sending them to India.

    Hardball for Harley
    If you read that article, Harley is still keeping the jobs in America, but shifting them from Kansas to York, it's in the first paragraph.

    Harley-Davidson is calling for concessions from its workers at the Motor Company’s Kansas City plant. The Kansas City Star reports that without changes to the labor contract, H-D has said it may have to move KC operations to its facilities in York, Pennsylvania.
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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Who do you think is building the bikes the Indians assemble?

    And I suggest reading the CNN article in the OP
    Obama announced Saturday that about 54,000 U.S. jobs will be created by $10 billion in new contracts for the Indian government and private companies here to buy a slew of American products, including jet airplanes from Boeing as well as engines and gas turbine technology from General Electric.
    I trust his job numbers a whole bunch... based on his job numbers for the Magical Mystery Stimulus package. You know, all those created jobs... um, saved or created jobs...um, etc etc etc.

    "So far, the Recovery Act is responsible for the jobs of about 2 million Americans who would otherwise be unemployed. ... [And] the Recovery Act is on track to save or create another 1.5 million jobs in 2010."
    Do tell... in India, no doubt... cuase they sure aint here.

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    If you read that article, Harley is still keeping the jobs in America, but shifting them from Kansas to York, it's in the first paragraph.
    Tell that to the ones who lose those jobs in KC, I'm sure they will feel all warm and fuzzy.

    You also failed to address the jobs Harley HAS cut in the last few years.

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Regardless of this.

    Would you in the interests of fairness and "objectivity" you accused me of not having earlier. Recant your false statements regarding the costs of obamas trip?

    Or do you wish to continue propagating this falsity?

    Just wondering. Or was this the part that you restored honor?
    Clintons trip to India cost 50 mill 14 years ago. He had half the people traveling with him and the security cost at least a quarter of what it costs now considering 9/11 and the new threats of terrorism. So using just the 50 million for a 5 days trip then and what it would cost now with fuel, personal, Obama ability to spend like a drunken sailor in Singapore on stupid ****, I would have to put the total cost of Obama's trip at or around 300 million.

    Does America have 300 million to waste on a trip that will not benefit Americans and our economy? Its wasteful and useless trip where OUR MONEY, YES OUR, could be spent helping Americans not Indians.

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Who do you think is building the bikes the Indians assemble?

    And I suggest reading the CNN article in the OP
    Given Obama's history of wildly inflating the job-creating effect of his actions, I don't put much faith in those unfounded claims.
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