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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I have a maintenance program so I don't even change the oil. I just got my new bike out of the shop they put on true dual Vance and Hines pipes it gave me 18 more horse power.

    My Bikes have not been in the shop for breaking down only for sceduled maintenance and things I had put on to make the bike the way I want it.
    That's great, scheduled maintenance is a beautiful thing. I like getting my hands dirty though and feel that makes me much more familiar with the workings of my machine.

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but whatever salesperson told you you were making 18 more horsepower was likely pulling your leg. Typically, a full exhaust system is only 5-10% power gain, max. 25+% is unheard of. It just doesn't work that way. You're not generating more engine power, just freeing up air flow and no stock exhaust is that restrictive. Until there's a dyno sheet to back it up, cited hp gains are largely useless, but hey, you didn't buy your bike to go fast, right?
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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    This thread has taken some of the oddest turns. At high speed, no less.

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    That's great, scheduled maintenance is a beautiful thing. I like getting my hands dirty though and feel that makes me much more familiar with the workings of my machine.

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but whatever salesperson told you you were making 18 more horsepower was likely pulling your leg. Typically, a full exhaust system is only 5-10% power gain, max. 25+% is unheard of. It just doesn't work that way. You're not generating more engine power, just freeing up air flow and no stock exhaust is that restrictive. Until there's a dyno sheet to back it up, cited hp gains are largely useless, but hey, you didn't buy your bike to go fast, right?
    Wrong the dyno proved it. I do maintenance until I am sure my back can handle bending over. I had major back surgery in 2009

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Wrong the dyno proved it. I do maintenance until I am sure my back can handle bending over. I had major back surgery in 2009
    Easy, friend. I'm not saying you're any less of a bike owner for letting a shop do maintenance on your bike. I was just stating my personal preference, which is no reflection at all on you.

    Secondly, wow, if a dyno run showed a 25% gain over stock, I had no idea a stock Harley was that bad. They must really crank down the airflow on those poor things at the factory. What type of dyno was used for your test? Can you post the before and after sheets here?
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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Easy, friend. I'm not saying you're any less of a bike owner for letting a shop do maintenance on your bike. I was just stating my personal preference, which is no reflection at all on you.

    Secondly, wow, if a dyno run showed a 25% gain over stock, I had no idea a stock Harley was that bad. They must really crank down the airflow on those poor things at the factory. What type of dyno was used for your test? Can you post the before and after sheets here?
    When you add pipes you also change the box on the air cleaner. Then a dyno is done to adjust fuel and air flow for peak performance. It is called a racing tune.

    I went from just over 52 horse power to almost 70 horse power

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    When you add pipes you also change the box on the air cleaner. Then a dyno is done to adjust fuel and air flow for peak performance. It is called a racing tune.
    I'm well aware of what putting an exhaust on a bike entails. That's not a racing tune, that's a basic exhaust kit. (Btw, "racing tune" on a cruiser?! ) If you don't change the air filter and jet/chip the bike properly, you're more likely to lose power than to actually gain anything. It's not a "special" process, no matter what your mechanic told you.

    Honestly, I'm surprised if those up gains are true, and I'd still love to see the dyno sheets, just to satisfy my personal curiosity. If that's a real gain, that speaks volumes about the terrible efficiency of the stock exhaust and is really not a great endorsement of factory Harley performance.
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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    today he's in seoul

    President Barack Obama failed to reach agreement on two international deals to help spur the U.S. economy, unexpected setbacks on an Asia trip that was supposed to emphasize his stature abroad and change the subject from last week’s electoral drubbing.

    Obama was unable to achieve a free trade agreement with South Korea, vowing to keep talking to get a better deal for U.S. auto makers. And after meeting with the leaders of Germany and China, he continued to meet resistance from the two countries about reducing their trade surpluses with the U.S. to give a boost to American manufacturing, putting the best face on a compromise that only calls for the goal of lowering them.
    President Obama can't close deals at G-20 summit - Carol E. Lee and John Maggs - POLITICO.com

    it's all about qe

    in addition to american women, catholics, youths, hi earners and low earners and urbans and rurals and burb'ers and independents, obnoxious obama is as well DISSED by the international economic community

    when has america seen a national figure fall so far so fast?

    all but the fringe recognize utter incompetence when it's persistently put on so hi profile display

    party on, paltry remnant

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    China's Hu Rebuffs Weakened Obama at Summit - WSJ.com

    he couldn't see this coming?

    YOU couldn't see this coming?

    hu bitchslaps obama every two or three months

    he's slamdunked the dummy a half dozen times already on currency

    HU KILLED COPENHAGEN---climate accords

    Low targets, goals dropped: Copenhagen ends in failure | Environment | guardian.co.uk

    (you really need to know these things)

    a few months earlier, over scones in singapore, the chairmen chewed up the chump like always

    Amateur Hour at the White House - Council on Foreign Relations

    this isn't spin, this isn't debate

    it's LESLIE GELB, council on foreign relations, it's comprehensive failure

    it's time magazine, the times' sunday mag, 60 minutes, the guardian, der spiegel...

    the lustre is OFF

    he's that bad

    hu's humiliated who's-it a hundred times, from currency to climate to korea to tibet to human rights

    how could obama set himself up for this?

    how could he possibly convince himself that the champion choreographer would cooperate?

    it's astonishing, really

    oh well

    at least pelosi's gonna keep HER job

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    but what's it gonna take for YOU?

    where do you go to get back your self respect?

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    I'm well aware of what putting an exhaust on a bike entails. That's not a racing tune, that's a basic exhaust kit. (Btw, "racing tune" on a cruiser?! ) If you don't change the air filter and jet/chip the bike properly, you're more likely to lose power than to actually gain anything. It's not a "special" process, no matter what your mechanic told you.

    Honestly, I'm surprised if those up gains are true, and I'd still love to see the dyno sheets, just to satisfy my personal curiosity. If that's a real gain, that speaks volumes about the terrible efficiency of the stock exhaust and is really not a great endorsement of factory Harley performance.
    The stock exhaust has a crossover hooking them together. These are Vance and Hines true duals

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Thats still an assumption based only on speculation.
    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Because Obama will not tell the truth
    Simply because the administration won't reveal the total cost does not mean its anywhere close, or for that matter how far away it is, to a number already shown to have no basis.

    In other words suppose that number, which again was shown to have come from no facts, said the trip cost 200 BILLION a day instead of million. And after several high profile people decided to ask the President how much the trip did in fact cost, the President did not produce those numbers.

    Would you think that 200 billion would have been close to the real cost? Probably not because that number is truely rediculous, but it shows how abritary you are judge this situation. You are only looking at and considering what you suppose is an amount you could see a President, who you also dislike so there's bias, spending per day on an International trip. Because in both hypotheticals the amount of actual proven information you have is still none, yet you're opinion and conculsion would change.

    Its not the facts which changed, because there were none to begin with, what changes is how you percieve the falsehoods. But regardless there's just as many facts to suggest it was 200 million a day as there is to suggest it was 200 billion a day.

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