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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    So I see you take anyone at their word even after being fooled how many times?

    Obamay claims there is a spaceship waiting to take everyone to a new wonderful world and you would be the first to line up to buy the ticket.

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    So I see you take anyone at their word even after being fooled how many times?

    Obamay claims there is a spaceship waiting to take everyone to a new wonderful world and you would be the first to line up to buy the ticket.
    So.

    Let me get this straight.

    You're using a single unconfirmed source from a foreign newspaper, to prove that the cost of the trip is 200 million dollars a day, you believe that to be the holy gospel, and yet no presidential trip HAS EVER cost that much, but yet you know better because you know, and anyone with a basic grasp of reality is just being fooled by Obamas Rhetoric.

    Got it.

    was this the part where you restored honor... or what?

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    A Harley is like a Cadillac. You can by cheaper but you get what you pay for. There is also the prestige factor.

    Like at my Sig that is a 2011 I just put new pipes on it to get the exhaust to sound right. Just as I do not buy foreign cars I only buy a HD motorcycle.

    People in India will buy Harley as a sign of their success
    Like a Cadillac, you don't typically get what you pay for. Why buy an Escalade when you can pay less and get the same thing in a Tahoe?

    I will say that HD quality has improved immensely over the last 10-20 years, but not enough to get me to pay the premium. If I'm going to pay more, I expect a superior product and I don't really care who made it.

    I think your last sentence sums it up nicely. Like I said, marketing geniuses. There's a sign down the road from my house for the local HD dealership, the slogan--"Experience our name"

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    So I see you take anyone at their word even after being fooled how many times?

    Obamay claims there is a spaceship waiting to take everyone to a new wonderful world and you would be the first to line up to buy the ticket.
    Obama is a socialist, the tickets would be free silly!
    /sarcasm
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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So.

    Let me get this straight.

    You're using a single unconfirmed source from a foreign newspaper, to prove that the cost of the trip is 200 million dollars a day, you believe that to be the holy gospel, and yet no presidential trip HAS EVER cost that much, but yet you know better because you know, and anyone with a basic grasp of reality is just being fooled by Obamas Rhetoric.

    Got it.

    was this the part where you restored honor... or what?
    So once again you stick your foot in your mouth. If you would have read this whole thread you would see where I stated that the trip would cost around 300 million. But you can cont to tell your nonsense about what you claimed I said.

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    no matter what the actual cost of this trip, it's certainly expensive

    i personally don't recall clinton or reagan ever booking entire taj mahal hotels

    either way, things don't seem to be going real well for over-his-head obama over there

    YouTube - Obama Greeted by Angry Demonstrators in India

    i thought he was gonna change america's image abroad

    PressTV - Indians greet Obama with protests

    President Obama's decision to spend three days in India, while bypassing Pakistan, has also come under fierce criticism. A Washington Post report said that the move has sparked anxiety among government officials in Islamabad due to fears that the US president's visit could likely upset the delicate balance of power between the two nuclear-armed neighbors.
    the indian-pakistani border is by far the most dangerous nuclearized divide on earth

    PressTV - Indonesians protest Obama visit

    indonesian muslims? it appears american women, working class whites, catholics, youths, seniors, low earners, hi earners, independents and just about every other cross sectional demographic of the OLD obama domestic coalition aren't alone in abandoning obnoxious obama

    The Indian public's view of the United States rose after Obama took office. But it has since fallen back to its pre-election level amid a sense here that he has neglected India's interests to curry favor with China and Pakistan, which the student who questioned him wondered why he didn't call "a terrorist state."
    In India, Obama faces questions on U.S. relations with Pakistan

    and, as reuters, ft, ap and cnbc pointed out thursday, the goof is gonna get grilled at the g20

    ap, i think it was, called him "the last keynesian"

    they're referring to bernanke's latest 600B bailout of garbage and junk, made public this week

    party on, progressives
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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Counterpoint: Provide some evidence that this $200 million/day number has any grounding in reality. Show me how that was calculated. Go google it. I bet you find absolutely nothing.
    I had to do it, just because I was curious. The largest part of that huge trip cost has to be the 34 warships that are being deployed there, right? After all, one aircraft carrier costs the Navy approx. $438,356.16 alone in operating costs each day.
    Federation of American Scientists :: CVN-68 Nimitz-class

    However, these are the five carriers closest to that area of operations currently:

    USS Nimitz (CVN 68) - Is currently in the Pacific Ocean conducting operations off the California Coast.

    USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) - 5th Fleet GULF OF OMAN (Nov. 1, 2010)

    USS George Washington (CVN 73) - East China Sea / Just returned to Yokosuka, Japan

    USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) - 5th Fleet Arabian Gulf supporting maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility.

    USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) - Pacific Ocean completing a composite training unit exercise in preparation for an upcoming deployment.

    All of that is public information from The US Navy You can go there any time to find out which ships are deployed and where. Updated daily and from the official navy.mil website

    Now, if I recall correctly, the “34 warships” that were accompanying the President were rumored to have at least one aircraft carrier in their task group. The above would seem to dismiss that claim at face value, thereby casting doubt on the whole premise of the inflated costs of the trip.

    Let’s see if we can refer to any authoritative sources for further clarification here:
    Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell called the notion of sending so many warships to protect the president “comical.”
    “I will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd this notion that somehow we were deploying 10 percent of the Navy -- some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier -- in support of the president's trip to Asia,” Morrell told reporters on Thursday.
    I’d say the Pentagon most likely knows where their warships are.

    Furthermore…
    “Foreign media always exaggerate about presidential trips,” Gordon Johndroe, former deputy White House spokesman under President George W. Bush, said in an e-mail.. “I am positive there will not be ‘34 warships’ involved in this trip.”
    It’s hard to put a price tag on presidential trips overseas because several variables are at work, such as how high the threat level is where the president is going, and whether the location in question is expensive, such as Paris, said Johndroe, also a former spokesman for the National Security Council
    “I will say I think $200 million a day does sound pretty over the top,” he said. “Yes, it is several million dollars for the president to be somewhere overseas. …. But $200 million is way, way out of line. That figure is in line with – how much does it cost to secure an Olympic site for two weeks or a summit?”
    Quotes taken from here Will 34 warships accompany Obama to India? - The Rumor Doctor - Stripes

    I was pretty outraged at first too, reading the headline about the alleged cost of this ridiculous trip, but it didn't take too much effort to ground this back in reality.
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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not the point since I have never given my opinion on the idea of a US president helping big business in this way. My point is yet again the hypocrisy of the right by attacking Obama with lies (2 billion claim) and the fact that he is helping US business interests with the trip. Every President in the last 30 years at least, has used such trips to forward the interests of US business world wide. Bush did it when he went to the Olympics in 2008, his father did it a number of times in the 1990s and so on and so on.

    This just another hyperpartisan attack on Obama and one based on an outright lie.
    It feels very strange to agree with you on this point.

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    Re: Results of Obama's India Trip

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    So once again you stick your foot in your mouth. If you would have read this whole thread you would see where I stated that the trip would cost around 300 million. But you can cont to tell your nonsense about what you claimed I said.
    Lol.... is this guy for serious or real? Or is he for real and serious?
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