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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

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    The only reason that some Europeans countries still have power in Africa, is because they prop up various regimes with military assistance. *Cough* France *Cough*
    That's highly inaccurate. The overwhelming majority of European influence in Africa today comes from the 'deals' their companies impose on African nations in exchange for 'economic investment'. European companies offer to provide a few hundred jobs in certain cities in exchange for having monopolies in some industries. BAE and Tony Blair for example were selling highly expensive and useless aeronautical equipment to nations in Southern Africa. The fact that most of these African nations were already highly indebted to European powers did not seem to be a problem for England. Who cares about the millions who starve because their desperate governments can be swindled for millions? When the deal was exposed, because it was a private transaction, nothing happened and it did not affect England's human rights record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The reason you cooperate with the UN is because your governments are simply too weak to actually pull off any large scale human rights violations. You leave that to the myriad of multinational European corporations which operate within Africa. In West Africa, you won't see the French or British governments getting their hands dirty. However, Europeans are still very much in power of Africa. The difference between today and the 1930s you now leave the colonizing process to Monsanto, Elf and Shell.
    Sorry but this is misleading. France does send troops in and has done with places like CAR (Central African Republic) to remove a dictator. However very few Western Nations (including the US and many European nations) have a good record in Africa. Patrice Lumumba was assassinated in what many there believed was a CIA plot and with him went the hopes of many across Africa. He was left wing at the wrong time but he also (like some others) offered peaceful alternatives to some of the dictators placed there by the US as part of its cold war with the USSR.

    If you travel across Africa or have any contacts - you will find that China has been working hard to build bridges with many African nations and nobody in the West can match what is happening.

    As for Monsanto and Elf - I give you the horrible alternative of Congo and all the looting and rape that has happened there. Neither the US nor Europe can hold their heads up high regarding what has happened in Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This isn't about improving anything. It's the usual, "beat up on the United States, because we hate their freedom", fest.
    I think I should be able to sue over the damage this caused my brain. This is vapid, uneducated, blatant deflection/dismissal.

    There are places worse than America out there. Many many places. Doesn't mean we don't have room to improve. We don't have to change to suit the international flavor of the month. But we can take a subjective look at our own behaviors and decide if we wish to address anything, try to make policies better, try to ensure that our government is working to protect and proliferate our rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think I should be able to sue over the damage this caused my brain. This is vapid, uneducated, blatant deflection/dismissal.

    There are places worse than America out there. Many many places. Doesn't mean we don't have room to improve. We don't have to change to suit the international flavor of the month. But we can take a subjective look at our own behaviors and decide if we wish to address anything, try to make policies better, try to ensure that our government is working to protect and proliferate our rights.
    And how does this report, or this council at the UN do this?


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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And how does this report, or this council at the UN do this?


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    It definitely gives a standard by which we can make comparison.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It definitely gives a standard by which we can make comparison.
    Yeah, and we couldn't do this without airing our dirty laundry to the world? I guess the question I am asking is that if you believe that it is an opportunity for the US to be introspective about our own practices, then do we need the UN, and especially this particular body within that corrupt org. to judge us on this?

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, and we couldn't do this without airing our dirty laundry to the world? I guess the question I am asking is that if you believe that it is an opportunity for the US to be introspective about our own practices, then do we need the UN, and especially this particular body within that corrupt org. to judge us on this?

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    No we don't need the UN. However, currently it is the UN which offers the standard. We can see how things stack up, we can look at their criticism and see if it's fair. And if we should look for alterations in our policy, it would give a decent starting point to the debate. There's nothing wrong in what we are doing here, and there is nothing that could force us to change. But it is a good chance to examine our own practices as they relate to the international standard.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No we don't need the UN. However, currently it is the UN which offers the standard. We can see how things stack up, we can look at their criticism and see if it's fair. And if we should look for alterations in our policy, it would give a decent starting point to the debate. There's nothing wrong in what we are doing here, and there is nothing that could force us to change. But it is a good chance to examine our own practices as they relate to the international standard.

    I just believe that we have always looked to human rights in this country as a standard of individual freedom and as such are the leaders in the world. All this report does in my eyes is lend more credence to a board that is replete with violators worse than ourselves in some bizarre self flagellation exercise. And, it gives one more bit of ammo to those opposing the Obama regime to hang the "America sucks" yoke around his neck.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, and we couldn't do this without airing our dirty laundry to the world? I guess the question I am asking is that if you believe that it is an opportunity for the US to be introspective about our own practices, then do we need the UN, and especially this particular body within that corrupt org. to judge us on this?

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    It's pretty hard to be objective about your own actions.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Maybe we'll get lucky and the UN will kick us out.

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