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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Who said I supported them to begin with?

    Not to say much better for those that are incoming.

    You're opposed to the Democrats's agenda over the past few years? Obamacare? Stealfromus package? Everything?

    Or, since their agenda has flopped, you're going to hop off the bandwagon?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're opposed to the Democrats's agenda over the past few years? Obamacare? Stealfromus package? Everything?

    Or, since their agenda has flopped, you're going to hop off the bandwagon?
    Who said I didn't support some of those things.

    Obamacare as you aptly name it, has been so misinterpreted and so many blatant lies made about it, I can't even tell whats fact, and made up right wing rhetoric. So thanks for that.

    All I have to say is, in certain aspects.

    If you can find money to kill people apdst. Then you can find money to help people.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Who said I didn't support some of those things.

    Obamacare as you aptly name it, has been so misinterpreted and so many blatant lies made about it, I can't even tell whats fact, and made up right wing rhetoric. So thanks for that.

    All I have to say is, in certain aspects.

    If you can find money to kill people apdst. Then you can find money to help people.
    A better idea, would to allow people to help themselves.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I agree with you more than you know, mate. I'd only make the singular distinction that, with the exception of Iran (the only true theocracy on Earth), most of the nations of the Middle East are not governed by Sharia Law just as America is not governed by Christian values, but is rather built up around it -- the UN statute was to prevent hatred towards the religion coming into politics. It was not, and I assure you of this, some half-baked appeasement scheme to be nice to the terrorists blowing up our tube stations.

    Anyway, I also agree that the UN needs to be radically reformed, or replaced altogether, by a more neutral international body -- but I still maintain the points that even nations like Britain and France, which have pretty good human rights track records (at least within mainland France and Britain XD), and even more so for still-maturing nations like the US and Russia, even while being democracies (this is a run on sentence and I apologise), need to be subject to occasional human rights investigations. Having a good track record only makes a minor transgression seem even lighter, and yet none of us want these transgressions in our states.

    And so, while I am in no way positing that France or America *need* to be investigated like Saudi Arabia, Israel, or Pakistan do -- they still ought to be investigated to maintain their high standard. That's really all I'm saying.
    Two points. The Constitution of the United States, this "still maturing nation", is not only older than the French, German, Italian, Belgian, Spanish and Greek constitutions, it's older than all of them put together.

    Secondly, regarding any 'investigations", who will do the investigating and how would this avoid exploiting political differences and effect national sovereignty? We can see what's happened at the UN, where entrance rules have been ignored, and that similar international bodies have proven to be ineffective and political Trojan horses.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A better idea, would to allow people to help themselves.
    They seem also to forget the idea of neighbor helping neighbor.

    Now we avoid our own responsibilities in helping each other by insisting the government do the job. And, paradoxically, those who expect the government to help others, while avoiding this responsibility themselves, claim they are taking the high road.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A better idea, would to allow people to help themselves.
    When the system is fixed, there's no helping yourself.

    Just getting bent over and ****ed by big business and or big government.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    When the system is fixed, there's no helping yourself.

    Just getting bent over and ****ed by big business and or big government.
    It's far easier to avoid big business than big government.

    In fact the computer you're using was probably manufactured by a big business. Mom and Pop shops just can't turn them out with the same quality or price.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    When the system is fixed, there's no helping yourself.

    Just getting bent over and ****ed by big business and or big government.
    LOL...you just blew yourself out of the water!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Two points. The Constitution of the United States, this "still maturing nation", is not only older than the French, German, Italian, Belgian, Spanish and Greek constitutions, it's older than all of them put together.

    Secondly, regarding any 'investigations", who will do the investigating and how would this avoid exploiting political differences and effect national sovereignty? We can see what's happened at the UN, where entrance rules have been ignored, and that similar international bodies have proven to be ineffective and political Trojan horses.
    In regards to your first point, I'll make the singular statement that a document that partially outlines your system of government, as worthy as it may be, even if it's still in use, does not denote the end of the maturing period for your civilisation.

    At any rate, I'd hope that you think the US is still maturing, because it's a ****ty place for your evolution to have stopped, if it indeed has at the present day.

    For the second point -- well that's certainly the trick, isn't it? I'm not claiming to have the perfect solution to the problem you've named, but I am saying that we must work to find one, as no nation should be exempt from investigation into international law.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    LOL...you just blew yourself out of the water!
    Um, no.

    "Fixed" as in "rigged," as in "dishonest."

    LOL...you just looked like a ****ing idiot!
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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