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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

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    Im sure all these atrocities were sanctioned by the leaders of the UN!
    They sure as weren't investigated by the UN and no one was ever prosecuted. Is that the level of accountability you're looking for, in the panel that puts the United States under a microscope?
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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

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    They sure as weren't investigated by the UN and no one was ever prosecuted. Is that the level of accountability you're looking for, in the panel that puts the United States under a microscope?
    The only people liberals hold accountable are Republicans -- where just an accusation of impropriety is grounds for removal from office.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

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    It is absolutely not illegal to criticise Middle-Eastern governments on human rights -- in fact, several reports come out each year on human rights violations in Muslim nations. So, stop lying, firstly.
    A resolution which has recently passed in the UN makes it illegal to be critical of Islam, and of course the laws which govern these Muslims nations is Sharia. Thus there shall be no criticism of those nations which are governed under Islamic sharia law, a law based on the subjugation of the weak (women, children, Gays) by the powerful. It obviously breeds ignorance and hatreds and yet criticizing this backward and dangerous religion has managed to be made illegal by the UNHRC.

    UN passes resolution calling for criminalization of criticism of Islam

    UN-acceptable censorship: The United Nations tries to outlaw criticism of Islam
    Secondly, only an international body could have the neutrality to investigate human rights violations in all nations. Or would you prefer America to continually submit to human rights investigations from, say France? I know the French or the British wouldn't stand for the Americans investigating their internal affairs.
    And which 'international body' would that be? The ICC? The UN? It argued by some that the ICC should have this job while others say the UN. Both are corrupt and should be disbanded. The Americans have expressed no interest in examining the human rights in either France or Britain, two well established democracies with a strong history of human rights. It is generally the third world where human rights are most in danger and that, of course, includes almost all Muslim, and communist, nations.
    Why? Because all nations are guilty of some human rights violations. None of the nations on earth today have a perfect record. So for America to investigate France, or for France to investigate America would be rather hypocritical.
    "Some" human rights violations? No comparison can be found in Britain or France where young girls cannot attend school, where young gays are being publicly hanged, where hatreds are being taught in grade school, where accused adulterers are stoned to death by authorities, and the list goes on. This is the most disgusting and inhumane group of misfits since the Communists managed to gain some power and now the world must beat off these madmen as well.

    The UN, however, while not perfect in cataloguing every human rights issue on Earth, at least has a neutral eye towards it.
    Whatever are you talking about here? Do you not follow the UN? Are you not aware of its history? Is the media being actively censored where you live?

    The idea that the UN is somehow specifically anti-American is ridiculous, and moreover, arrogant. The UN is made up of all the member states of that organisation -- America is part of the UN, and thus, a part of the UN IS America. It can't be anti-American. It can simply be fair, which can seem very unfair from nationalist standpoints.
    OOO! America is arrogant! And so they should be, as well as France, Britain and all the other democracies. Who wants to emigrate to third world nations ruled by dictators and religious fanatics? The UN should be composed only of democracies. Theocracies, dictatorships and the like should not be tolerated.

    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Article 2 is especially appropriate to Islam run nations. They should be expelled from the UN unless they allow freedom of religion. In fact it would be far better to drop the UN altogether and an organization composed only of legitimate democracies be established.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

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    Thus there shall be no criticism of those nations which are governed under Islamic sharia law, a law based on the subjugation of the weak (women, children, Gays) by the powerful.

    What I find amazing in discussions like these is how completely inverted the political labelling has become. If one is in any way opposed to this brutality, they are characterized as some sort of right wing conservative, but if they look the other way, indulge in some apologia, and march in politically correct lockstep, people call them liberal. The terms have become nearly meaningless due to the Euro-style group think where the appeal to authority and the appeal to popularity has overriden the actual underlying themes that have long defined liberalism.

    What I find worisome is how so few Europeans are independent minded enough to figure out that if instititutions are already liberal, they need to conserve these institutions in order to support liberal points of view. The illiberal leftists seem hell bent on destroying liberalism, such is the mindless political fundamentalism inherent in their conformist doublespeak. They cannot separate the notions of ideas from people, and treat the resistance of illiberal ideas as if it were some sort of bigotry againt people. The United Nations is one of the prime culprits in spreading this meme that so completely undermines liberalism.
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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

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    What I find amazing in discussions like these is how completely inverted the political labelling has become.
    Yes, and it transformed itself almost unnoticed.

    Perhaps it began with the rise of Communism where the Liberals felt it was a different sort of 'lifestyle' and that the pursuit of equality of outcome for everyone was a positive goal. This general support forced them to ignore or play down the atrocities committed by Communist regimes, that it was 'anti Soviet propaganda', that Americans were also bad, and so forth.

    Now they have warped into accepting another murderous ideology, though a lack of technology prevents Islamists from yet being on the same level as the Communists. Just as with Communism they will try to downplay Islamic terrorism and blame the west for the problems. Their argument then, as now, is seeking moral equivalence between the two conflicting ideologies and it has always been along the lines of "Oh yeah?? What about the Indians?"

    "Liberals" will not now defend women and gays in Muslim dominated countries, groups they once vigorously claimed to support if only to make the west look bad. Their hypocrisy is astounding.
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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

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    The only people liberals hold accountable are Republicans -- where just an accusation of impropriety is grounds for removal from office.
    Says the wild partisan . . .

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Says the wild partisan . . .


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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

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    Irony. :cofeepap
    You need another f . . .

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

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    Says the wild partisan . . .


    Irony.



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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

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    A resolution which has recently passed in the UN makes it illegal to be critical of Islam, and of course the laws which govern these Muslims nations is Sharia. Thus there shall be no criticism of those nations which are governed under Islamic sharia law, a law based on the subjugation of the weak (women, children, Gays) by the powerful. It obviously breeds ignorance and hatreds and yet criticizing this backward and dangerous religion has managed to be made illegal by the UNHRC.

    UN passes resolution calling for criminalization of criticism of Islam

    UN-acceptable censorship: The United Nations tries to outlaw criticism of Islam


    And which 'international body' would that be? The ICC? The UN? It argued by some that the ICC should have this job while others say the UN. Both are corrupt and should be disbanded. The Americans have expressed no interest in examining the human rights in either France or Britain, two well established democracies with a strong history of human rights. It is generally the third world where human rights are most in danger and that, of course, includes almost all Muslim, and communist, nations.


    "Some" human rights violations? No comparison can be found in Britain or France where young girls cannot attend school, where young gays are being publicly hanged, where hatreds are being taught in grade school, where accused adulterers are stoned to death by authorities, and the list goes on. This is the most disgusting and inhumane group of misfits since the Communists managed to gain some power and now the world must beat off these madmen as well.



    Whatever are you talking about here? Do you not follow the UN? Are you not aware of its history? Is the media being actively censored where you live?



    OOO! America is arrogant! And so they should be, as well as France, Britain and all the other democracies. Who wants to emigrate to third world nations ruled by dictators and religious fanatics? The UN should be composed only of democracies. Theocracies, dictatorships and the like should not be tolerated.

    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Article 2 is especially appropriate to Islam run nations. They should be expelled from the UN unless they allow freedom of religion. In fact it would be far better to drop the UN altogether and an organization composed only of legitimate democracies be established.

    I agree with you more than you know, mate. I'd only make the singular distinction that, with the exception of Iran (the only true theocracy on Earth), most of the nations of the Middle East are not governed by Sharia Law just as America is not governed by Christian values, but is rather built up around it -- the UN statute was to prevent hatred towards the religion coming into politics. It was not, and I assure you of this, some half-baked appeasement scheme to be nice to the terrorists blowing up our tube stations.

    Anyway, I also agree that the UN needs to be radically reformed, or replaced altogether, by a more neutral international body -- but I still maintain the points that even nations like Britain and France, which have pretty good human rights track records (at least within mainland France and Britain XD), and even more so for still-maturing nations like the US and Russia, even while being democracies (this is a run on sentence and I apologise), need to be subject to occasional human rights investigations. Having a good track record only makes a minor transgression seem even lighter, and yet none of us want these transgressions in our states.

    And so, while I am in no way positing that France or America *need* to be investigated like Saudi Arabia, Israel, or Pakistan do -- they still ought to be investigated to maintain their high standard. That's really all I'm saying.

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