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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

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    Well exactly.

    If anyone would want to investigate the history of human rights in the United States, quite apart from the many thousands of books published on the subject already, then it should be those nations who have a history of positive human rights and how each democracy might improve on them.

    But having the corrupt UN do the investigating is straight ahead propaganda, designed to encourage the anti American Left, as well as to justify further attacks by terrorists.

    You'll notice that the UN no has no interest in investigating human rights abuses in Muslim countries and, in fact, have made it illegal to criticize them at all.

    This issues demonstrates just how far the Leftist anti American will go, and they care not who their fellow travelers might be.
    It is absolutely not illegal to criticise Middle-Eastern governments on human rights -- in fact, several reports come out each year on human rights violations in Muslim nations. So, stop lying, firstly.

    Secondly, only an international body could have the neutrality to investigate human rights violations in all nations. Or would you prefer America to continually submit to human rights investigations from, say France? I know the French or the British wouldn't stand for the Americans investigating their internal affairs.

    Why? Because all nations are guilty of some human rights violations. None of the nations on earth today have a perfect record. So for America to investigate France, or for France to investigate America would be rather hypocritical.

    The UN, however, while not perfect in cataloguing every human rights issue on Earth, at least has a neutral eye towards it.

    The idea that the UN is somehow specifically anti-American is ridiculous, and moreover, arrogant. The UN is made up of all the member states of that organisation -- America is part of the UN, and thus, a part of the UN IS America. It can't be anti-American. It can simply be fair, which can seem very unfair from nationalist standpoints.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

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    It is absolutely not illegal to criticise Middle-Eastern governments on human rights -- in fact, several reports come out each year on human rights violations in Muslim nations. So, stop lying, firstly.

    Secondly, only an international body could have the neutrality to investigate human rights violations in all nations. Or would you prefer America to continually submit to human rights investigations from, say France? I know the French or the British wouldn't stand for the Americans investigating their internal affairs.

    Why? Because all nations are guilty of some human rights violations. None of the nations on earth today have a perfect record. So for America to investigate France, or for France to investigate America would be rather hypocritical.

    The UN, however, while not perfect in cataloguing every human rights issue on Earth, at least has a neutral eye towards it.

    The idea that the UN is somehow specifically anti-American is ridiculous, and moreover, arrogant. The UN is made up of all the member states of that organisation -- America is part of the UN, and thus, a part of the UN IS America. It can't be anti-American. It can simply be fair, which can seem very unfair from nationalist standpoints.



    the UN commits horrid acts of rape and murder, they are not neutral either.
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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

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    the UN commits horrid acts of rape and murder, they are not neutral either.
    When, and where?

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    When, and where?

    Burundi
    Haiti
    Liberia
    Kosovo
    serbia
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    U.N. Faces More Accusations of Sexual Misconduct (washingtonpost.com)



    I strongly recommend you read:

    Amazon.com: Barracks and Brothels: Peacekeepers and Human Trafficking in the Balkans (Csis Panel Report) (9780892064649): Sarah Elizabeth Mendelson: Books


    I have seen the horrors of UN "peacekeepers" first hand.




    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...detention-camp
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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Ah, you mean UN Peacekeepers. I thought you were referring to some UN resolution that was clearly against international law, which then was enforced by UN soldiers. Which of course has not occurred.

    Anyway, I've no problem agreeing that not all UN Peacekeepers have been perfect angels, so to speak. Such is the nature of war, and they're not exempt from it, even if they wear blue berets that say they're there just for peaceful purposes.

    However, I ask you -- where is a forum as truly international, and as relatively clean, as the UN, that could make inquiries into the human rights and international law abuses of all nations?

    The UN isn't perfect, nothing is. But I would argue that the UN is the best possible choice.

    Who else would you suggest to perform this function?

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Ah, you mean UN Peacekeepers. I thought you were referring to some UN resolution that was clearly against international law, which then was enforced by UN soldiers. Which of course has not occurred.

    Anyway, I've no problem agreeing that not all UN Peacekeepers have been perfect angels, so to speak. Such is the nature of war, and they're not exempt from it, even if they wear blue berets that say they're there just for peaceful purposes.

    However, I ask you -- where is a forum as truly international, and as relatively clean, as the UN, that could make inquiries into the human rights and international law abuses of all nations?

    I would grant you this concession, but I still have in my burn box from those days long ago a copy of a memo telling UN peacekeepers to park thier vans out of site of the underage brothels so as to not make the UN look bad.

    Here check out this article its about Cambodia, but it demonstrates I am not the only one who has witnessed this:


    A memo distributed to UN personnel says: ‘Please try not to park your Landcruiser outside brothels
    http://www.newint.org/features/1993/04/05/keynote/



    The UN isn't perfect, nothing is. But I would argue that the UN is the best possible choice.

    I would laugh at this notion. This international house of dictators is only good at eating up prime New York Real Estate and embezzling sanction money.


    Who else would you suggest to perform this function?

    No idea. No clue, don't really care. We as Americans are fine policing our selves.
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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I would grant you this concession, but I still have in my burn box from those days long ago a copy of a memo telling UN peacekeepers to park thier vans out of site of the underage brothels so as to not make the UN look bad.

    Here check out this article its about Cambodia, but it demonstrates I am not the only one who has witnessed this:




    Keynote -- New Internationalist






    I would laugh at this notion. This international house of dictators is only good at eating up prime New York Real Estate and embezzling sanction money.





    No idea. No clue, don't really care. We as Americans are fine policing our selves.

    I'd be much more happy to agree with you that the UN needs to change, if only you didn't offer such a ridiculous claim as "Americans are fine policing ourselves". It's nothing against the Americans in particular, but that's as asinine as saying "I never make any mistakes, and therefore I never need your help". Americans can do a fine job of policing American streets, yes, but Americans will have a hard time policing their government, or their society writ large. Why? Because they're too close to it. By nature of being American, they're not going to be able to see the problems with some things American. Just as the French can't see some of the problems that come from French policies, and the Brits can't see some problems that come from British actions.

    Essentially, you need an outsider's input. I'm not saying the outsider's input should be the sole word of law, but, for example, when writing an article for publishing -- it's a wise choice to get outside editing, just because you're too close to the writing to spot all the mistakes yourself.

    It's the same with nations -- and some sort of organisation that can help be the world's neutral 'editor' would be an undeniable good.

    Perhaps it is the UN now, perhaps it is a reformed UN, perhaps it's something entirely different from the UN. But it has to be something.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    I hope you understand, after what I saw with UN peacekeepers I'd rather put a bullet through a few of those blue helmeted jack booted thugs lon before I support any change with the UN other than disbandment.
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    Let's not forget UN ambulances being used to transport Hezbollah fighters and storing ammunition for Hezbollah at the UN's base.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

    Im sure all these atrocities were sanctioned by the leaders of the UN!

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