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    Re: Obama: "Leadership Isn't Just Legislation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    People who claim Obama is "evil" or "anti-American" or "retarded" are just as fanatic as those liberals who claimed that GWB was a terrorist and a sociopath when he was in office. Both presidents believed in what they were doing and believed it was best for the country at the time. Both presidents however, were wrong. Bush though people wanted to be protected from overseas Islamic extremist at all cost, even if that meant preemptive wars based on thin pretenses, but he didn't realize that a lot of liberal minded people didn't want it. Obama thought that people wanted the removal of anti-consumer/pro-business policies in the credit card industries, health industries, and mortgage loan industries, but he didn't realize that a lot of old-school, traditional conservatives who are happy with their health plans don't want that.
    I totally agree about people on either side needing to demonize someone just because they don't reach the same conclusions. It's childish.

    As Lincoln said, "you can please some of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time." There are some people who will not like anything that Bush did just because he is a Republican. There are some people who will dislike everything that Obama has done or will do simply because he is a Democrat.

    I think that Bush did realize that a lot of liberal-minded people didn't want to go to war, he just didn't care because those folks weren't going to vote for him no matter what. Also, Bush didn't go into Iraq because of Islamic terrorism. He went into Iraq because of Saudi oil. It was clear that maintenance of US forces in Saudi Arabia was not viable (infidels in the sacred land) as it was causing too much trouble for the Saudi government. The troops were in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in order to prevent Hussein from invading again. Next time, he would not bother with Kuwait but would go directly for the mother load. So, to protect Saudi oil from falling into Hussein's hands, Hussein had to go. Justifications followed. I wonder if he could have gotten the support of the public if he had explained this.

    I don't think that lumping anti-consumer/pro-business credit card and mortgage loan are in the same category as health care. I don't think that keeping companies from screwing consumers is a bad thing and I don't think that most people would disagree. I also think those things didn't play much of a role in the election, which is a mistake by the Democrats. They could have touted how the Republicans opposed reining in corporate abuse. Certainly, health care was a big thing but I don't know how big of a negative it really was to the voters (only 19% said it was an issue and the responders didn't indicate if they are in favor of the changes or against). This was probably a lot more important to the Republican leadership than to the voters. The polls say that this was primarily a vote on the economy. The economy sucks so the party "in power" gets punished. However, now that the Republicans are in power in the House, they will claim that the vote was a mandate on all of the crap they talked about when it was largely just "fix the fricking economy."

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    Re: Obama: "Leadership Isn't Just Legislation"

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    sounds about right to me.
    Well of course it does - its --much-- easier to think that people are too stupid to get your message than to admit that your message is poo.

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    Re: Obama: "Leadership Isn't Just Legislation"

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    I think that Bush did realize that a lot of liberal-minded people didn't want to go to war, he just didn't care because those folks weren't going to vote for him no matter what.
    Its more the case that he went to war, knowing that the liberals would not like it, because it was the right thing to do.
    If somone opposes the right thing, then they are, by definition, wrong.

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    Re: Obama: "Leadership Isn't Just Legislation"

    he assembled a JOINT SESSION to sell the issue, for cryin out loud

    The President’s Remarks, and a Letter from Ted | The White House

    it was his great white whale, he was ahab obama

    2 days after he signed the leviathan into law HE WENT TO IOWA---LOL!---to push it

    RealClearPolitics - Obama's Health Care Speech in Iowa City

    talk about OUTTA TOUCH

    he promised us we'd learn to LIKE IT once we got to know it

    he's ridiculous, he INSULTS our intelligence

    Obama: Voters 'Scared,' Not Thinking Clearly About Election - FoxNews.com

    so today he's evolved: "leadership isn't just legislation, it's a matter of persuading people, and giving them confidence and bringing them together and setting a tone"

    no duh, president pubescence

    the rudiments of american politics 101---he's only NOW learning

    pathetic
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    Re: Obama: "Leadership Isn't Just Legislation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    People who claim Obama is "evil" or "anit-American" or "retarded" are just as fanatic as those liberals who claimed that GWB was a terrorist and a sociopath when he was in office. Both presidents believed in what they were doing and believed it was best for the country at the time. Both presidents however, were wrong. Bush though people wanted to be protected from overseas Islamic extremist at all cost, even if that meant preemptive wars based on thin pretenses, but he didn't realize that a lot of liberal minded people didn't want it. Obama thought that people wanted the removal of anti-consumer/pro-business policies in the credit card industries, health industries, and mortgage loan industries, but he didn't realize that a lot of old-school, traditional conservatives who are happy with their health plans don't want that.
    So, if he isn't your garden variety dumbass, he must be sabotaging the country on purpose. Right?

    Everything he's done has been totally counter-productive. Either he's doing it intentionally, or he's just a stupid mother ****er.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama: "Leadership Isn't Just Legislation"

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    I totally agree about people on either side needing to demonize someone just because they don't reach the same conclusions. It's childish.

    As Lincoln said, "you can please some of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time." There are some people who will not like anything that Bush did just because he is a Republican. There are some people who will dislike everything that Obama has done or will do simply because he is a Democrat.

    I think that Bush did realize that a lot of liberal-minded people didn't want to go to war, he just didn't care because those folks weren't going to vote for him no matter what. Also, Bush didn't go into Iraq because of Islamic terrorism. He went into Iraq because of Saudi oil. It was clear that maintenance of US forces in Saudi Arabia was not viable (infidels in the sacred land) as it was causing too much trouble for the Saudi government. The troops were in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in order to prevent Hussein from invading again. Next time, he would not bother with Kuwait but would go directly for the mother load. So, to protect Saudi oil from falling into Hussein's hands, Hussein had to go. Justifications followed. I wonder if he could have gotten the support of the public if he had explained this.

    I don't think that lumping anti-consumer/pro-business credit card and mortgage loan are in the same category as health care. I don't think that keeping companies from screwing consumers is a bad thing and I don't think that most people would disagree. I also think those things didn't play much of a role in the election, which is a mistake by the Democrats. They could have touted how the Republicans opposed reining in corporate abuse. Certainly, health care was a big thing but I don't know how big of a negative it really was to the voters (only 19% said it was an issue and the responders didn't indicate if they are in favor of the changes or against). This was probably a lot more important to the Republican leadership than to the voters. The polls say that this was primarily a vote on the economy. The economy sucks so the party "in power" gets punished. However, now that the Republicans are in power in the House, they will claim that the vote was a mandate on all of the crap they talked about when it was largely just "fix the fricking economy."
    You really screwed the pooch on that quote. He said:

    "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
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    Re: Obama: "Leadership Isn't Just Legislation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Its more the case that he went to war, knowing that the liberals would not like it, because it was the right thing to do.
    If somone opposes the right thing, then they are, by definition, wrong.

    So, why was it "right"?

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    Re: Obama: "Leadership Isn't Just Legislation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    First I want to apologize to some of the low life, brain dead Liberals I have attacked in the past for being stupid because I was wrong and there are a few of them who have caught on to Obama's fraud and lack of intelligence.

    Leadership is having the right ideas and being able to convey them in such a way that others understand them and want to get behind them and make them reality.

    Obama blew the greatest opportunity ever given to any one in the history of man.

    I am one of those who knew Obama was an Anti-American from the start, but millions believed his lies, and then he blew it by trying to put his Socialism/Marxism plans and agenda in place, and more and more real Americans figured it out.

    Obama with any luck will be a one term wonder but unless he learns from his massive mistakes he will be pointed out in history form now on as not only the worst ever to hold the office but the first ever Anti-American to ever hold the office.

    You can say what you want about President George W. Bush being a bad guy or idiot t or what ever, but anyone with half a brain can see that Obama has been misrepresented by his disciples as a genius when he's in fact borderline retarded.
    ouch... that hurt me...


    do it again

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    Re: Obama: "Leadership Isn't Just Legislation"

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You really screwed the pooch on that quote. He said:

    "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
    Yes, he did. My bad. Just goes to show that, even when you think you remember something, never hurts to check. It should have been "You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of time" which is attributed to John Lydgate who Lincoln was paraphrasing. I'll check my quotes from now on.

    If I could still edit the post, I'd fix it.

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    Re: Obama: "Leadership Isn't Just Legislation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    People who claim Obama is "evil" or "anit-American" or "retarded" are just as fanatic as those liberals who claimed that GWB was a terrorist and a sociopath when he was in office. Both presidents believed in what they were doing and believed it was best for the country at the time. Both presidents however, were wrong. Bush though people wanted to be protected from overseas Islamic extremist at all cost, even if that meant preemptive wars based on thin pretenses, but he didn't realize that a lot of liberal minded people didn't want it. Obama thought that people wanted the removal of anti-consumer/pro-business policies in the credit card industries, health industries, and mortgage loan industries, but he didn't realize that a lot of old-school, traditional conservatives who are happy with their health plans don't want that.
    First what is "anit-American" did you mean Anti-American? Obama is Anti-American and it's been proven time and again by his own words.

    As to the charge that Obama is retarded is flat out wrong. From what I have seen I have been the only one with guts enough to point out that Obama is "borderline" retarded.

    What is amazing is that there is never any intelligent response to my posts about Obama because there is no argument that can be made in favor of a fool.

    And now we see Keith Olobermann has been caught giving money to Liberals who were on his lame ass show, and he is now as good as fired, by MSNBC and that is a good thing.

    Now it they can get rid of that gay guy Chris Matthews with his tingly leg and his admiration of Howard Deans arms. I wonder if his wife knew hr was a closet gay?

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