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Birdzeye said:
Ah, so you post a link to a previous thread - in which the OP makes the same claims WITHOUT any links to back them up? That's your evidence, along with a few snide remarks directed at me? That's downright pathetic.
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Yup. That's the extent of my discussion on it.
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, the company I spoke of earlier was completely company owned, with equal shares and equal pay for all.

As they address the union at all, it has to be a concern for them. I suspect it means more than you know.
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And that is your opinion, too bad you can't say empirically whether or not that is the case.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
And that is your opinion, too bad you can't say empirically whether or not that is the case.

j-mac
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That's true. We would have to watch it happen first.
 
concerning our unions, particularly our public service employees and auto workers

us cities face half trillion dollar public pension deficit

"in budget crisis states take aim at pensions:" http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/business/20pension.html?_r=1

Study: California Public Pensions Underfunded by Over $500B - California Healthline

STATE PENSIONS BECOMING FEDERAL ISSUE

"gm and chrysler pensions underfunded by 17 billion:" http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/business/07cars.html

there're dozens more, it's happening coast to coast, our states, our cities, our seiu's and afscme's

party on, progressives, there's not much time left
 
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It is better that people don't have pensions. And if someone negotiates a pension, we sure shouldn't expect them to be held accountable, at least not on the management side. Lord knows those poor folks have it so much harder than anyone else. Hard to see how they get out of bed in the morning without someone helping them.

:coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
It is better that people don't have pensions. And if someone negotiates a pension, we sure shouldn't expect them to be held accountable, at least not on the management side. Lord knows those poor folks have it so much harder than anyone else. Hard to see how they get out of bed in the morning without someone helping them.

:coffeepap
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When I retire I’ll go to starbucks and order a five-dollar cup of coffee and pay for it with Teamster Pension money, then settle down to argue politics with the resident DP wingers using starbucks Wi-Fi.

Who knows I just might even run into NP their.:mrgreen:
 
donc said:
When I retire I’ll go to starbucks and order a five-dollar cup of coffee and pay for it with Teamster Pension money, then settle down to argue politics with the resident DP wingers using starbucks Wi-Fi.

Who knows I just might even run into NP their.:mrgreen:
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I plan on dying in the classroom with a recorder on. I want to see how long before someone asks if they can leave yet (I won't see it but someone will get a kick out of it). ;)
 
j-mac said:
Maybe if you could flip the channel off MSNBC, or LINKtv once and a while, you might have seen things come out that could cause you to rethink your hyper partisan opinion here.

j-mac
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Said the pot to the kettle.
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, that was an extremely logical defense. :rolleyes: What do you call careing for their memebers? Explain.
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They demand members vote democrat while making demands that cause companies to fold.
 
ptif219 said:
They demand members vote democrat while making demands that cause companies to fold.
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Of course you have a link that can verify this lame a** statement.
 
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Birdzeye said:
Uh huh. You can prove that the employers no longer abuse their employees and that they consistently treat them with respect and pay them enough to live on? Riiiight.

As for which party they endorse, I guess I'm wondering what the GOP has done recently for the average working stiff, to help improve working conditions etc. Or is worker support considered yet another entitlement by the GOP?
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Union business is in the workplace not in politics
 
Birdzeye said:
Riight. I've been a union member, so I've seen the good, the bad and the ugly about them. I've also seen the good, the bad and the ugly about the employers. Some of them still treat their staff like crap.

And these links prove your claim about unions endorsing Democrats is simply not true:

Cambridge Police Patrol Officers union endorses Republican Brown in Senate race - Cambridge, Massachusetts - Cambridge Chronicle

Republican Dubie collects labor union endorsements | The Burlington Free Press | Burlington, Vermont

State lobby group, labor union endorse Haslam | Chattanooga Times Free Press

There are more, but I think I've made my point.
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What about the Casino unions providing buses so union members could vote for Reid?

Harrah’s Bosses Put Squeeze on Employees to Vote in Pro-Reid Effort - By Elizabeth Crum - Battle
 
donc said:
When I retire I’ll go to starbucks and order a five-dollar cup of coffee and pay for it with Teamster Pension money, then settle down to argue politics with the resident DP wingers using starbucks Wi-Fi.

Who knows I just might even run into NP their.:mrgreen:
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After paying for the coffee how can you afford your own wifi?
 
winston53660 said:
After paying for the coffee how can you afford your own wifi?
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I’ll mooch there’s….if they still have it when I retire. Of course you never know, with all this Corp cost cutting and everything.:(
 
Birdzeye said:
Said the pot to the kettle.
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that's it? That's all you got? The Pee Wee Herman gambit?

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*Sigh*

j-mac
 
ptif219 said:
They demand members vote democrat while making demands that cause companies to fold.
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That's rather a large generalization. Having a company fold doesn't help a union. And let's not for get, all things are negotiated. You can't remove the responsibility of managemant from those negotiations either. Agreeing to something that will make you fold is not more noble or intelligent than asking for such things.
 
yup, sacto and albany are centrally culpable

good point

LOL!
 
Boo Radley said:
That's rather a large generalization. Having a company fold doesn't help a union. And let's not for get, all things are negotiated. You can't remove the responsibility of managemant from those negotiations either. Agreeing to something that will make you fold is not more noble or intelligent than asking for such things.
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Remember the Steele industry and the union's refused to take a cut in pay which forced many companies to fold.
 
ptif219 said:
Remember the Steele industry and the union's refused to take a cut in pay which forced many companies to fold.
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And in your thinking the compnay had no role in that negotiation? Let's take a mini look at the history:

After 1970 the company could no longer compete effectively with low-wage producers elsewhere. Imports and mini-mills undercut its sales -

History of the modern steel industry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Steel production had increased exponentially since the industrial revolution, and demand had been especially high during the world wars. Steel prices significantly dropped as the market became saturated with steel, and many steel mills in the Western world were driven out of business.

Steel crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You seem to be making a link that isn't fully supported by fact. Sure, workers could have agreed to lower wages, and it might have still fell. They could have accepted thrid world country wages, but how would that be for workers here? Would it really be better than being changing to a new field?

Trying to reduce complicated issues to single person blame is usually a mistake. Both workers and managment likely hold a share of the blame in most cases. And we can't forget the role of the arket in all this. With health insurance benefits and such paid by employers, we are behind the eightball with competing with the rest of the world.
 
Funny how when a union job folds, it's all because the union workers are strong-arming the company.

When a non-union job folds, it's like a tree falling in the forest and no one is around.
 
Boo Radley said:
And in your thinking the compnay had no role in that negotiation? Let's take a mini look at the history:

After 1970 the company could no longer compete effectively with low-wage producers elsewhere. Imports and mini-mills undercut its sales -

History of the modern steel industry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Steel production had increased exponentially since the industrial revolution, and demand had been especially high during the world wars. Steel prices significantly dropped as the market became saturated with steel, and many steel mills in the Western world were driven out of business.

Steel crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You seem to be making a link that isn't fully supported by fact. Sure, workers could have agreed to lower wages, and it might have still fell. They could have accepted thrid world country wages, but how would that be for workers here? Would it really be better than being changing to a new field?

Trying to reduce complicated issues to single person blame is usually a mistake. Both workers and managment likely hold a share of the blame in most cases. And we can't forget the role of the arket in all this. With health insurance benefits and such paid by employers, we are behind the eightball with competing with the rest of the world.
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I notice you show nothing of the outlandish wages the union had negotiated for steel workers
 
BWG said:
Funny how when a union job folds, it's all because the union workers are strong-arming the company.

When a non-union job folds, it's like a tree falling in the forest and no one is around.
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Even funnier is in the 60's 33% of workers belonged to unions now about 12%. Unions have abused power and lost support from the worker
 
ptif219 said:
Even funnier is in the 60's 33% of workers belonged to unions now about 12%. Unions have abused power and lost support from the worker
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Damn, even a blind frog lucks out and catches a fly every now and then. A prime example is ptif219 Inadvertly stumbling upon the real reason for the decline of the middleclass.

OUR CORP whores have almost completely gutted the labor movement with the march of manufacturing jobs offshore and politicians(of both parties) have seen fit to give them tax cuts for there greed.:rock
 
ptif219 said:
I notice you show nothing of the outlandish wages the union had negotiated for steel workers
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Key word, negotiated.

ne·go·ti·ate   /nɪˈgoʊʃiˌeɪt/ Show Spelled
[ni-goh-shee-eyt]
verb, -at·ed, -at·ing.
–verb (used without object)
1. to deal or bargain with another or others, as in the preparation of a treaty or contract or in preliminaries to a business deal.
–verb (used with object)
2. to arrange for or bring about by discussion and settlement of terms: to negotiate a loan.
3. to manage; transact; conduct: He negotiated an important business deal.

Negotiate | Define Negotiate at Dictionary.com

Nothing in that definition says that only one side is responsible for things negotiated by both sides.

Also, click those links. None of the ones I looked at during a search, the first three or four listed, place the blame on unions. Just saying . . . . . :coffeepap
 
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