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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    Exactly. If corporations uniformly treated their employees with respect and dignity, and paid them enough to actually put food on the table and a roof over the workers' heads, unions might not have come into existence.

    Unfortunately, some unions are corrupt, and only seem to exist to take dues money out of members' (who may find union membership compulsory due to a "closed shop") paychecks. Funny how some conservatives are so indignant about that but don't show a shred of outrage over the awful way some employers treat their employees.
    That was the case 75 years ago now the unions abuse their power and are more concerned about getting democrats elected

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Why would they care about candidates regardless of the the needs of their memebers? I believe you are mixing things up. People do vote contrary to their needs. There may be reasons for that. But if the union is looking for the best concerning their memebers on the whole, they may want to strongly support a candidate.

    Not suggesting anyone should force anyone to vote for anyone. Just showing your thinking is not as clear or sound as you believe.
    Shows you know nothing about todays unions. I have been in them and been a union steward. They support the democrats and care little about their members

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Your right and we have plenty drinking the Corp kool-aid on this thread.
    Problem is there are to many here drinking the democrat kool aid and do not know how todays unions work

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Shows you know nothing about todays unions. I have been in them and been a union steward. They support the democrats and care little about their members
    Well, that was an extremely logical defense. What do you call careing for their memebers? Explain.

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's a generalization. True, in some cases unions have gotten corrupt and did poor jobs. But remember what working conditions were before unions. There's no doubt that unions gave voice to the working man and allowed him to make changes he could not have made alone.
    the Unions at their inception are far different from the corrupt organizations that exist in todays work place.

    Again, I don't belong to a union. Never have. But I've read history, and understand how this all works. Employers are not always good to those who work for them, and the imbalance of power often has led to abuses in the past that were tragic for working people. Unions help change that, and part of that was voting for people who were really concerned with working man issues, too often democrats.

    I have in the past been in a union, however, not now, and I certainly don't wish to be. Unions today tend to foster that us against them mentality, and I just don't see it as helpful. As far as employers not always being good to their employees, who says that when you get a job, you are locked into that job? The so called imbalance of power as you put it is in direct correlation to the risk of the business taken at different levels. The line worker doesn't have the risk associated with the business as the owner does. Unions did make a difference at their inception, in terms of safety issues, and so forth, however, today is not 1940, and there are government institutions in place for issues like that including OSHA. the Unions of today are all about the political game, and their own power. Card check is a horrible idea, and would ruin this countries remaining industries.

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    J, all things change, butn that doesn't mean they are not still needed. Perhaps members do need to make some changes with their leadership. But I wouldn't recommend throwing out the baby with the bath water.

    Mobility isn't what's cracked up to be. And without a worker voice, as we had in the past, there are limitations to what a worker can do. Leaving one bad deal for another isn't that conforting.

    I suspect many don't remember the country before unions, and because gains have made things better for them overall, they are free to vote against thier best interests. Things may well go backwards before unions come back again. Who knows. But it is too easy to say that unions are only after power (whatever you mean by that) and not working for their base. It would be better to provide some evidenc eof this, and not just that they voted for democrats, who might well have policies that are good for workers.

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, all things change, butn that doesn't mean they are not still needed. Perhaps members do need to make some changes with their leadership. But I wouldn't recommend throwing out the baby with the bath water.

    Mobility isn't what's cracked up to be. And without a worker voice, as we had in the past, there are limitations to what a worker can do. Leaving one bad deal for another isn't that conforting.

    I suspect many don't remember the country before unions, and because gains have made things better for them overall, they are free to vote against thier best interests. Things may well go backwards before unions come back again. Who knows. But it is too easy to say that unions are only after power (whatever you mean by that) and not working for their base. It would be better to provide some evidenc eof this, and not just that they voted for democrats, who might well have policies that are good for workers.

    Can you lay out today the things that Unions do to make their membership more secure in the work place? What is it that Unions do exactly to further the goals of their membership that doesn't end up killing the company, or the country when the country has to pick up the tab.

    Demo's being the party of the working man is as much a lie as the one demo's tell to minorities to keep them down, and voting demo.


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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    That was the case 75 years ago now the unions abuse their power and are more concerned about getting democrats elected
    Uh huh. You can prove that the employers no longer abuse their employees and that they consistently treat them with respect and pay them enough to live on? Riiiight.

    As for which party they endorse, I guess I'm wondering what the GOP has done recently for the average working stiff, to help improve working conditions etc. Or is worker support considered yet another entitlement by the GOP?

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Can you lay out today the things that Unions do to make their membership more secure in the work place? What is it that Unions do exactly to further the goals of their membership that doesn't end up killing the company, or the country when the country has to pick up the tab.

    Demo's being the party of the working man is as much a lie as the one demo's tell to minorities to keep them down, and voting demo.


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    What exactly wouldn't kill the company? Frankly most companies can't compete internationally because of health care costs. A siingle payer would ease that. Would you support a single payer? Americans make higher incomes than third world countries. Making 50 cents an hour would make us competitve, would you support that? It isn't as easy as you make it sound. How would the membership feel about considerably lower pay and no benefits?

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    Uh huh. You can prove that the employers no longer abuse their employees and that they consistently treat them with respect and pay them enough to live on? Riiiight.

    As for which party they endorse, I guess I'm wondering what the GOP has done recently for the average working stiff, to help improve working conditions etc. Or is worker support considered yet another entitlement by the GOP?

    Once a company starts up and survives its first years to become a stable entity, do you consider the jobs they offer to be an entitlement?

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