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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Are they worth $28.00 an hour? The higher the wage the higher the cost. It must stay within reason for the company to stay competitive.
    are you aware of what percentage wages are for a middle priced car? i'll bet not. and yes, people who work an assembly line and wreck their bodies are worth that. ever have to raise your hand to use the bathroom?

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it's bull****. unions have lowered their wages as well as their benefit packages, which will ultimately result in the lowering of all manufactuing wages, at least for those jobs we keep. you must be one of the people who believes the $70 an hour crap, right?
    So compare the wages and benefits of the auto union to say one of the foreign car manufacturers that have assembly plants here in the US

    http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/...NEWS/101029935
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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    What question? You avoid the facts in my link and try to change the subject.
    !) I didn't avoid anything. I read your link and pointed to some other facts.

    2) the subject was my question: Who's salaries have risen the most, CEO's or workers?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yet unions did things that were ridiculus. Like having to call an electrician to change a lightbulb. The wages were out of line and the cost to retirees but a huge burden on the company
    Did managment sign those agreements, or did unions do this without management? Again, you can't remove management from these things. And rember, per your link, that was changed and employees dropped from 32 to five. The business still did not survive, and your article points to management.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So compare the wages and benefits of the auto union to say one of the foreign car manufacturers that have assembly plants here in the US

    John F. Floyd column: Non-union plants make South auto industry leader | GadsdenTimes.com
    compare current wages and benefits, about equal. the legacy costs are the tough part. and foreign auto makers in the u.s. are starting to catch up with that cost, as their workforce ages and people start to retire.

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Unions have damaged the middle class by demanding to high of wages and extreme retirement packages. Then turn around and use dues to promote the democrats.
    Don't forget the absurdly restrictive work rules.
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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    !) I didn't avoid anything. I read your link and pointed to some other facts.


    I don't know but it shows the unions pushed for maximum wages. 30$ an hour was a bit much
    2) the subject was my question: Who's salaries have risen the most, CEO's or workers?
    I don't know the article shows that management took cuts not union workers

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    compare current wages and benefits, about equal. the legacy costs are the tough part. and foreign auto makers in the u.s. are starting to catch up with that cost, as their workforce ages and people start to retire.
    Shows there is no need for a union. Unions had to cut wages and benefits because they had abused their power

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Did managment sign those agreements, or did unions do this without management? Again, you can't remove management from these things. And rember, per your link, that was changed and employees dropped from 32 to five. The business still did not survive, and your article points to management.
    After the damage was already done. The unions made it so a person could not change a light bulb. The unions made ridiculus rules and abused their power.

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    After the damage was already done. The unions made it so a person could not change a light bulb. The unions made ridiculus rules and abused their power.
    To which management agreed. You're extremely forgiving of management, even with evidence of poor manegment, but terribly hard on workers. I find this odd. Manegment can't be removed from responsibility for what they signed.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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