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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    They demand members vote democrat while making demands that cause companies to fold.
    Of course you have a link that can verify this lame a** statement.
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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    Uh huh. You can prove that the employers no longer abuse their employees and that they consistently treat them with respect and pay them enough to live on? Riiiight.

    As for which party they endorse, I guess I'm wondering what the GOP has done recently for the average working stiff, to help improve working conditions etc. Or is worker support considered yet another entitlement by the GOP?
    Union business is in the workplace not in politics

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    Riight. I've been a union member, so I've seen the good, the bad and the ugly about them. I've also seen the good, the bad and the ugly about the employers. Some of them still treat their staff like crap.

    And these links prove your claim about unions endorsing Democrats is simply not true:

    Cambridge Police Patrol Officers union endorses Republican Brown in Senate race - Cambridge, Massachusetts - Cambridge Chronicle

    Republican Dubie collects labor union endorsements | The Burlington Free Press | Burlington, Vermont

    State lobby group, labor union endorse Haslam | Chattanooga Times Free Press

    There are more, but I think I've made my point.
    What about the Casino unions providing buses so union members could vote for Reid?

    Harrah’s Bosses Put Squeeze on Employees to Vote in Pro-Reid Effort - By Elizabeth Crum - Battle

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    When I retire Iíll go to starbucks and order a five-dollar cup of coffee and pay for it with Teamster Pension money, then settle down to argue politics with the resident DP wingers using starbucks Wi-Fi.

    Who knows I just might even run into NP their.
    After paying for the coffee how can you afford your own wifi?

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    After paying for the coffee how can you afford your own wifi?
    Iíll mooch thereísÖ.if they still have it when I retire. Of course you never know, with all this Corp cost cutting and everything.
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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    Said the pot to the kettle.
    that's it? That's all you got? The Pee Wee Herman gambit?



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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    They demand members vote democrat while making demands that cause companies to fold.
    That's rather a large generalization. Having a company fold doesn't help a union. And let's not for get, all things are negotiated. You can't remove the responsibility of managemant from those negotiations either. Agreeing to something that will make you fold is not more noble or intelligent than asking for such things.

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    yup, sacto and albany are centrally culpable

    good point

    LOL!

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's rather a large generalization. Having a company fold doesn't help a union. And let's not for get, all things are negotiated. You can't remove the responsibility of managemant from those negotiations either. Agreeing to something that will make you fold is not more noble or intelligent than asking for such things.
    Remember the Steele industry and the union's refused to take a cut in pay which forced many companies to fold.

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    Re: AARP Raises Costs for Employees' Insurance Plans

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Remember the Steele industry and the union's refused to take a cut in pay which forced many companies to fold.
    And in your thinking the compnay had no role in that negotiation? Let's take a mini look at the history:

    After 1970 the company could no longer compete effectively with low-wage producers elsewhere. Imports and mini-mills undercut its sales -

    History of the modern steel industry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Steel production had increased exponentially since the industrial revolution, and demand had been especially high during the world wars. Steel prices significantly dropped as the market became saturated with steel, and many steel mills in the Western world were driven out of business.

    Steel crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You seem to be making a link that isn't fully supported by fact. Sure, workers could have agreed to lower wages, and it might have still fell. They could have accepted thrid world country wages, but how would that be for workers here? Would it really be better than being changing to a new field?

    Trying to reduce complicated issues to single person blame is usually a mistake. Both workers and managment likely hold a share of the blame in most cases. And we can't forget the role of the arket in all this. With health insurance benefits and such paid by employers, we are behind the eightball with competing with the rest of the world.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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