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    Re: McDonald's Happy Meal Toys to be Banned in San Francisco?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Another example of certain folks thinking they know better than you. Statism and tyranny.
    Damn I was really hopping the ban was because the toys were offensive to some minority group. ****!

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    Re: McDonald's Happy Meal Toys to be Banned in San Francisco?

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    right on bro!!!! I remember when I went to buy a new car and I thought 20K was just too much for it. I told them I did not need that fancy government mandated windshield and good old fashioned glass would be okay if it saved me $800 bucks but they said "no way". They explained how people used to be cut to ribbons going through windshields and the new ones prevented a large percentage of that.

    I told them I did not need those fancy seat belts that were government mandated if it saved me a cool grand but they also said "no way". They explained how before seat belts people had much higher rates of death in routine crashes and even with the older lap belts there still was injury.

    I told them I did not need that fancy government mandated braking system and would gladly use the old fashioned brakes like my grandpappy used to have on the 52 Buick if it saved me $900. But they said "no way". They pointed out that the new brake systems cut braking distance down considerably and prevented skidding and the crashes that result from that.

    So I had to borrow the money and get a big monthly note to pay in return for a car with lots of government mandated doodads that I did not want or need. Tyranny & Statism indeed. Where is our precious LIBERTY when we need it most?

    Thanks for reading this. It took me while to type as I am recovering from a severe auto accident. The weather was bad and I ran into the back of a big semi-truck at 60 miles per hour. The front end folded like an accordion but the seat harness held me back and I only barely kissed the windshield instead of going through it. Even then I could have been killed but I was able to brake at the last few seconds and that did slow me down enough to avoid death.

    I hope I recover enough to go the the big tea party rally for liberty to be held in the town public square next week. I won't be able to drive yet but I can get through on a city bus. I look forward to defending liberty and fighting for smaller government and less regulation of companies and the products they make.
    I was almost persuaded by your anecdotal red herring as I legally drove down the highway, without power assisted steering or brakes, in my 1941 Plymouth Coupe with no seatbelts, no crumple zones and no airbags and all original glass.

    Then I remembered that the government can't tell me what I have to buy ...yet.
    Last edited by theangryamerican; 11-07-10 at 02:07 PM.
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    Re: McDonald's Happy Meal Toys to be Banned in San Francisco?

    Of course , the car you claim you are driving was legal when made that way.

    And the government, as duly elected representatives of the American people chosen in fair and free elections, can indeed pass laws deemed Constitutional for the good and welfare of the people.

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    Re: McDonald's Happy Meal Toys to be Banned in San Francisco?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Of course , the car you claim you are driving was legal when made that way.

    And the government, as duly elected representatives of the American people chosen in fair and free elections, can indeed pass laws deemed Constitutional for the good and welfare of the people.
    Quick question: Using your analogy, would you be ok with your duly elected representatives telling you that you could only drive the one car currently on the market with the highest safety rating, with their approved list of preferred options and in their choice of "safest" color and everything else was banned? Oh, and you'll have to buy a new car next year too when the safer one comes out in a new color. Sound good?
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    Re: McDonald's Happy Meal Toys to be Banned in San Francisco?

    Is that a legitimate proposal for a new law or is that over-the-top hyperbole using an obviously extreme that has no basis in the real world?

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    Re: McDonald's Happy Meal Toys to be Banned in San Francisco?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Is that a legitimate proposal for a new law or is that over-the-top hyperbole using an obviously extreme that has no basis in the real world?
    Care to answer or would you like to continue to deflect? It's a simple question.
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    Re: McDonald's Happy Meal Toys to be Banned in San Francisco?

    False dilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    you may want to read this. Your question is not at all simple and not at all fair and not at all anything resembling the real world we live in.

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    Re: McDonald's Happy Meal Toys to be Banned in San Francisco?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    False dilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    you may want to read this. Your question is not at all simple and not at all fair and not at all anything resembling the real world we live in.

    Roger that, you'll continue deflecting, got it.

    Contrary to what you believe, it's very simple, yes or no.

    For the purposes of our example, let's pretend the government has done significant study and determined that the new Chevy Volt is the safest and most efficient car out there. As such, because people can't be trusted to ensure their own safety, it has been decided that everyone must drive the Chevy Volt. Now, because it uses the new hybrid technology it's priced at about $41,000. Good news though, the government will save you some money because their research indicates that a complex user interface will be distracting while driving, so they've taken out the radio and any other multimedia/navigation options. Study also shows that silver is the safest color because of it's visibility under most road conditions, so all Volts must be silver.

    See? Not very far-fetched. Now...I'll ask again. Do you have any problem with paying for and driving a Silver, base model Chevy Volt?
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    Re: McDonald's Happy Meal Toys to be Banned in San Francisco?

    But that is indeed far fetched. extremely far fetched. Is there something wrong in dealing with the actual realities of the world we actually do live in instead of made up hypothetical extremes that do not exist?

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    Re: McDonald's Happy Meal Toys to be Banned in San Francisco?

    It's a far flung and completely loaded question.

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