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    Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    I find it disturbing that only 52% voted against this. Non-citizens regardless if they are here legally or not should not be allowed to vote.

    Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    The measure was defeated by a vote of 52 to 48 percent.

    Voters in Maine's largest city have rejected a measure that would have allowed legal non-citizens to vote in municipal elections.

    The proposal was rejected by a vote of 52 to 48 percent. Proponents of the measure said legal immigrants who are not yet citizens pay taxes and participate in the community in other ways, and should thus be allowed to vote in local races.
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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    I wouldn't vote for such a measure, but I respect the right of communities to decide for themselves on the issue. Local citizens should decide who gets to vote in local elections.

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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I wouldn't vote for such a measure, but I respect the right of communities to decide for themselves on the issue. Local citizens should decide who gets to vote in local elections.
    No taxation without representation?
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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    What if a large portion of the residents weren't citizens yet lived there payed taxes there... shouldn't they have a say?

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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    What if a large portion of the residents weren't citizens yet lived there payed taxes there... shouldn't they have a say?
    assuming non-citizens can pay income taxes.

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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    assuming non-citizens can pay income taxes.
    What makes you think they don't? Do you know what the skilled worker visa program is? Plus green cards. Do lots of non-citizens pay income tax? Sure. Do lots don't? Sure. Same goes for citizens.
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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    assuming non-citizens can pay income taxes.
    Yes, they do. Permanent residents pay all the same taxes that US citizens do. And I think (but I'm not positive) that even temporary residents on work visas pay all the same taxes as well...although they might be exempt from payroll taxes.

    I agree that permanent residents should be allowed to vote in local elections. I don't think that's asking too much. They live, work, pray, pay taxes, and send their kids to school in the community just as much as US citizens do. Seems that they have just as much of a stake in their community as anyone else.
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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    What if a large portion of the residents weren't citizens yet lived there payed taxes there... shouldn't they have a say?
    What if a large portion of residents who were there illegally lived there and paid taxes...shouldn't they have a say?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes, they do. Permanent residents pay all the same taxes that US citizens do. And I think (but I'm not positive) that even temporary residents on work visas pay all the same taxes as well...although they might be exempt from payroll taxes.

    I agree that permanent residents should be allowed to vote in local elections. I don't think that's asking too much. They live, work, pray, pay taxes, and send their kids to school in the community just as much as US citizens do. Seems that they have just as much of a stake in their community as anyone else.
    The same thing could be said about illegals and I am sure some internationalist/globalist scumbag piece of **** could try to get them the right to vote using your logic.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    assuming non-citizens can pay income taxes.
    Actually, I personally know quite a few non-citizens who pay more in taxes yearly than many people do over a lifetime because they own very succesfull businesses.

    In the realm of hundreds of thousands of dollars paid into taxes per year.

    There are also those non-citizens like my cousin, an immigrant who lives in New York, who makes over $100,000 per year. While he doesn't own his own business, he pays more per year in taxes than the many American citizens make as an income per year. Ironically, from my experience it is those American citizens who pay jack **** in taxes and essentially leech the system the most who are also doing the most complaining about the contributions of non-citizens. Go figure.



    Not to mention its totally impossible to live in this country without paying taxes. Even illegals getting paid cash are paying some taxes.

    It's not like the "Taxation without representation" battle cry was based on income tax.



    All that being said, I agree that a person should have to be a citizen before they can vote. Taxation without representation applied to situations where someone form outside came in and took taxes from people without their consent. Non-citizens living in the US consent to being taxed by the US as a trade-off for their increased earning potential. They waive their right to representation by knowingly earning their income in a place where they have no representation. They can gain representation by seeking citizenship or by returning to their country of origin (if it is a democratic country).

    They should have to take steps to show that they are loyal to the country they live in before they should be allowed to help pick it's government. The only way to do this is by "joining" that country in full as a citizen.
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