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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How about barring people who don't pay taxes from voting?
    we have too much representation without taxation. Those are the people who are most likely to howl for tax hikes on "the rich"



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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Everyone pays taxes.
    Not the kind that are the subject of political campaigning--not the kind that pays for most of the social services.
    IE the Federal Income Tax



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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Actually, I personally know quite a few non-citizens who pay more in taxes yearly than many people do over a lifetime because they own very succesfull businesses.

    In the realm of hundreds of thousands of dollars paid into taxes per year.

    There are also those non-citizens like my cousin, an immigrant who lives in New York, who makes over $100,000 per year. While he doesn't own his own business, he pays more per year in taxes than the many American citizens make as an income per year. Ironically, from my experience it is those American citizens who pay jack **** in taxes and essentially leech the system the most who are also doing the most complaining about the contributions of non-citizens. Go figure.



    Not to mention its totally impossible to live in this country without paying taxes. Even illegals getting paid cash are paying some taxes.

    It's not like the "Taxation without representation" battle cry was based on income tax.



    All that being said, I agree that a person should have to be a citizen before they can vote. Taxation without representation applied to situations where someone form outside came in and took taxes from people without their consent. Non-citizens living in the US consent to being taxed by the US as a trade-off for their increased earning potential. They waive their right to representation by knowingly earning their income in a place where they have no representation. They can gain representation by seeking citizenship or by returning to their country of origin (if it is a democratic country).

    They should have to take steps to show that they are loyal to the country they live in before they should be allowed to help pick it's government. The only way to do this is by "joining" that country in full as a citizen.
    Well, remember, this didn't call for non-citizens to be able to vote on the federal or state level, only on the local level.

    How would you feel about a local position that addresses the issues of non-citizens on the local level who doesn't have any parliamentary powers? An alderman that all non-citizens can vote for to address the local government on their concerns but doesn't have an ability to affect votes? Would you be against that?
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we have too much representation without taxation. Those are the people who are most likely to howl for tax hikes on "the rich"
    I agree with you there. I would not have a problem with a Starship Troopers like government described by Henlein. Voting only open to veterans with a small government.
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I agree with you there. I would not have a problem with a Starship Troopers like government described by Henlein. Voting only open to veterans with a small government.
    SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP

    some reviewer called the movie (I read the book but more years ago then I will confess to!) the ultimate fascist fantasy rivaling Leni Reifenstahl's The Triumph of the Will. All that was missing was Doogie Howser in his Himmler leather duster saying to the brain bug

    VE HAVE VAYS TO MAKE YOU TALK BUG!!



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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP

    some reviewer called the movie (I read the book but more years ago then I will confess to!) the ultimate fascist fantasy rivaling Leni Reifenstahl's The Triumph of the Will. All that was missing was Doogie Howser in his Himmler leather duster saying to the brain bug

    VE HAVE VAYS TO MAKE YOU TALK BUG!!
    The director of that movie commited a crime against humanity. That movie was awful.
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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The director of that movie commited a crime against humanity. That movie was awful.
    LOL but when the bug sucked the dude's brains out that was cool. So was the scene where the guy jumped on the bug and chucked the thermite grenade into it.

    I liked the drill sargent MEDIC!!!!!



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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    BTW the low Budget sequel positively sucked. at least the special effects in the Denise Richards version were great. The second one had worse acting (yeah really bad) and the special effects were brutal



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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not all states levy income tax.
    True, but the Federal government does and not everyone pays income taxes.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Portland Voters Reject Non-Citizen Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, remember, this didn't call for non-citizens to be able to vote on the federal or state level, only on the local level.

    How would you feel about a local position that addresses the issues of non-citizens on the local level who doesn't have any parliamentary powers? An alderman that all non-citizens can vote for to address the local government on their concerns but doesn't have an ability to affect votes? Would you be against that?
    Good point.

    I actually have no problems with non-citizens voting in local elections and I'm even OK with to allow non-US-citizens to vote in state elections. My comments were entirely about federal elections and I should have made that clear.
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