GOP likely to urge Obama officials not to shred documents

FilmFestGuy said:

Except for the fact that Democrats have only controlled Congress for four years and the White House for two years.

It was the Republicans who were in control for the first six years of the decade and who laid the foundations for our economy's collapse. But don't let facts get in the way of your partisanship.

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And, the economy went into the toilet when and has been in the toilet since the Dems took the reins.

The Liberals got their big shot at it and cocked it up, in less than four years. :rofl

Wiseone said:

It all started in 2006 when the first housing bubble burst. Not to over simplify and blame it all on the gov't or political parties, but I'm pretty sure before 2006 it was Reps in Congress and the White House.

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Tell us which Right Wing policies caused the recession. Be specific, please.

j-mac said:

It's about damned time! Let the investigations begin!

After all when Obama made this statement recently at a campaign stop, and again on Stewart:

Originally Posted by Obama
“We have done things that people don’t even know about.”

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Which begs the question, Oh yeah? What's that?

Maybe now we can find out....:shock:

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I was watching the Daily Show when he said this and it was clear that Obama meant that people were not aware of the things that this administration had accomplished (the legislation). He was lamenting the fact that the Democrats had done a crappy job of explaining what they had accomplished. This was definitely not some sinister comment.

You can watch it yourself on the Comedy Central web site.

Boo Radley said:

Odd how republicans are never accountable for their actions. it's always someone else's fault. The media, democrats, minotities, someone other than republicans. That's personal responsibility for you. :sigh:

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Spoken like a true Member of the It's President Bushes fault and all Liberals are as pure as the driven Snow.

I don't give a damn about the past compared to the future and cranking back Obama's attacks on our economy.

I would like to at some point see Maxine Waters go to jail and along with Rangel be thrown out of Congress, sending the message that like with Duke Cunningham being corrupt has no place and party lines mean nothing when you're a worthless cheating bastard. PERIOD!

j-mac said:

Ah, FFG....Revisionist to the end eh? You are correct that demo's have been in control of congress for 4 years, and the WH for two, however, it was demo laid policies that caused this melt down, and you know it.

j-mac

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Really? Did the Democrats repeal the GSA?

Did the Democrats force AIG to issue CDS well in excess of their reserves?
Did the Democrats force mortgage companies to securitize their mortgages?
Did the Democrats force Investment Banks to buy the securities with debt?
Did the Democrats force Lehman Brothers to operate on commercial paper?
Did the Democrats force the ratings agencies to commit massive fraud?

And don't even start with the CRA. That argument has been disproven a thousand times here.

obvious Child said:

Really? Did the Democrats repeal the GSA?

Did the Democrats force AIG to issue CDS well in excess of their reserves?
Did the Democrats force mortgage companies to securitize their mortgages?
Did the Democrats force Investment Banks to buy the securities with debt?
Did the Democrats force Lehman Brothers to operate on commercial paper?
Did the Democrats force the ratings agencies to commit massive fraud?

And don't even start with the CRA. That argument has been disproven a thousand times here.

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Disproved? No, I don't think so. The CRA may not in itself be the cause soley of the greed that over took the housing, and investment markets, and you have a point that republicans jumped on board with many demo's whispering in their ears that they needed to in order to be re elected as a party, but as far as wanting regulation of Fannie, and Freddie goes demo's did indeed stand in the way of regulation, it is documented, and on tape. I have posted it several times.

Did demo's plant the corrupt seed through ACORN that forced banks to take on mortgages that couldn't support themselves, and had no chance of being repaid? Hell yes they did, and they used thug, extortion tactics to do it too.

Banks and investment houses are to blame when it comes to the greed involved in hedging their bets on these mortgages, but that also was a green light given them by demo's when banks started to complain that they would loose money on these bad home loans, and when repubs tried to reign in through regulation Fannie, and Freddie, players like Dodd, and Frank stood in their way because the payoff was in. Countrywide approving a sweetheart deal for Dodd on a shack in Ireland....Come on man.:roll:

It's crap man, demo's always try and tell repubs that lies of moderating they views to be more like demo's in order to hang on to power, then when they do, they screw it up, and demo's just jump back and blame the whole thing on them like Lucy hold the Football for Charlie Brown every fall. Demo's don't realize that the people have awoken in the past two years, and are starting now to analyze this web you libs have woven, and when they do, lib leaders will be lucky if retirement is all they are forced into, and not a prison where they should be.


j-mac

PS, Oh, and to be fair, repubs that went along with these schemes will be on the block also....Progressivism is a cancer, and it infects both parties to one degree or another, we need to root it out.

j-mac said:

Ah, FFG....Revisionist to the end eh? You are correct that demo's have been in control of congress for 4 years, and the WH for two, however, it was demo laid policies that caused this melt down, and you know it.


j-mac

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What meltdown? The Dow is above 11,000 points.

Mickey Shane said:

What meltdown? The Dow is above 11,000 points.

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From my limited understanding, this is caused artificially by TARP, and Stimulus funds that are funneled into the market to prop it up. Start printing more money to buy more of our own bonds and watch it crumble under a Weimer scenario.....


j-mac

Councilman said:

Spoken like a true Member of the It's President Bushes fault and all Liberals are as pure as the driven Snow.

I don't give a damn about the past compared to the future and cranking back Obama's attacks on our economy.

I would like to at some point see Maxine Waters go to jail and along with Rangel be thrown out of Congress, sending the message that like with Duke Cunningham being corrupt has no place and party lines mean nothing when you're a worthless cheating bastard. PERIOD!

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Bush is only responsible for what Bush did. That's called accountability and being responsible. Obama is only responsible for what Obama did. Again, accountability and responsibility.

As for crimes, if you have actual evidence of a crime, procede with my belssings. But the point was and is that I don't understand how people who keep using the sound bite of personal responsibility keep blaming everyone else. It's always someone elses fault. The media picks on you. Democrats abuse you. Reality is unfair. Poor, poor republicans. I don't buy it. Take some personal responsibility for your own actions. No excuses.

Heavy Duty said:

Funny the same can be said about liberals. Blamed Bush lately? Because youre leadership and Chosen One do everyday. Kind of makes one look foolish when talking about someone else when they have fault themselves.


BTW, I stand corrected on the 6 years bit.

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I think I address this above, but want to make sure you don't think I ignored you. Politiicans blaming each other is one thing. Voters buying into it another. But, logically, you can't blame Obama for what is happening today and ignore Bush's role in that. His actions did not disappear on the day Obama was elected. Any honest evaluation would not just look at what Obama is doing today, but also consider the history of events that led us here. Bush is responnsible for what Bush did. Obama is responsible for what he did. but let's not pretend Obama started with a clean slate. Doing so would be a lie.

Boo Radley said:

Bush is only responsible for what Bush did. That's called accountability and being responsible. Obama is only responsible for what Obama did. Again, accountability and responsibility.

As for crimes, if you have actual evidence of a crime, procede with my belssings. But the point was and is that I don't understand how people who keep using the sound bite of personal responsibility keep blaming everyone else. It's always someone elses fault. The media picks on you. Democrats abuse you. Reality is unfair. Poor, poor republicans. I don't buy it. Take some personal responsibility for your own actions. No excuses.

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Yeah right...."personal responsibility" in most liberal demo's eyes is that which only someone else should avail themselves of.

j-mac

j-mac said:

Yeah right...."personal responsibility" in most liberal demo's eyes is that which only someone else should avail themselves of.

j-mac

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Yeah, liberals are blaming the media daily. Blaming conservatives for things they didn't do. Blaming evil muslim socialist marxist communist racist presidents. Like I said j, where is YOUR personal repsonsibility?

Boo Radley said:

Yeah, liberals are blaming the media daily. Blaming conservatives for things they didn't do. Blaming evil muslim socialist marxist communist racist presidents. Like I said j, where is YOUR personal repsonsibility?

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I exercised it tuesday.


j-mac

j-mac said:

I exercised it tuesday.


j-mac

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HA! :rwbelepha

j-mac said:

Yeah right...."personal responsibility" in most liberal demo's eyes is that which only someone else should avail themselves of.

j-mac

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How do you let yourself get off making statements like these? Srsly.

Boo Radley said:

Bush is only responsible for what Bush did. That's called accountability and being responsible. Obama is only responsible for what Obama did. Again, accountability and responsibility.

As for crimes, if you have actual evidence of a crime, procede with my belssings. But the point was and is that I don't understand how people who keep using the sound bite of personal responsibility keep blaming everyone else. It's always someone elses fault. The media picks on you. Democrats abuse you. Reality is unfair. Poor, poor republicans. I don't buy it. Take some personal responsibility for your own actions. No excuses.

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That won't happen. Republicans and Democrats alike... all we want to do is blame the other guy... nothing is EVER EVER EVER our fault or our responsibility. This country will continue on this same path and nothing will ever really get done because no one wants to step up and take responsibility for anything, when its so much easier to just say the other guy did it, soooo..what do you want from me?

BamaBrat said:

That won't happen. Republicans and Democrats alike... all we want to do is blame the other guy... nothing is EVER EVER EVER our fault or our responsibility. This country will continue on this same path and nothing will ever really get done because no one wants to step up and take responsibility for anything, when its so much easier to just say the other guy did it, soooo..what do you want from me?

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True. In our society, that helps a lot if I can place the blame elsewhere. :thumbs:

j-mac said:

I exercised it tuesday.


j-mac

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So did I. But, that too isn't what we're talking about now is it?

j-mac said:

Disproved? No, I don't think so.

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Well, to rational people. You have in the past argued it is completely legal for cops to threaten suspects in an interrogation with rape and murder of their families. Not exactly a sign of rational thinking.

The CRA may not in itself be the cause soley of the greed that over took the housing

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Housing in the US is less then 1% of the economy. Tell me how less then 1% of the economy caused this mess.

and investment markets, and you have a point that republicans jumped on board with many demo's whispering in their ears that they needed to in order to be re elected as a party

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Do you ever stop lying? The GOP repealed the GSA. Sure Clinton signed it, but it was their idea.

but as far as wanting regulation of Fannie, and Freddie goes demo's did indeed stand in the way of regulation, it is documented, and on tape. I have posted it several times.

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Want to show how 1% of the economy caused this mess?

Did demo's plant the corrupt seed through ACORN that forced banks to take on mortgages that couldn't support themselves, and had no chance of being repaid? Hell yes they did, and they used thug, extortion tactics to do it too.

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Again, Want to show how 1% of the economy caused this mess?

Banks and investment houses are to blame when it comes to the greed involved in hedging their bets on these mortgages, but that also was a green light given them by demo's when banks started to complain that they would loose money on these bad home loans, and when repubs tried to reign in through regulation Fannie, and Freddie, players like Dodd, and Frank stood in their way because the payoff was in. Countrywide approving a sweetheart deal for Dodd on a shack in Ireland....Come on man.:roll:

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Again, Want to show how 1% of the economy caused this mess? Or you can just keep failing.

You have utterly failed to address anything you quoted.

SE102 said:

How do you let yourself get off making statements like these? Srsly.

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The same way he refuses to blame Republicans. He's trying to argue that the repeal of the GSA was a Democrat idea. Sign of an extreme hyperpartisan is when they squarely refuse to blame their party for anything

:lamo Those lovable Republicans, always projecting. Still no word on when we can expect George W. Bush and Dick Cheney to be brought to justice.

obvious Child said:

Well, to rational people. You have in the past argued it is completely legal for cops to threaten suspects in an interrogation with rape and murder of their families. Not exactly a sign of rational thinking.



Housing in the US is less then 1% of the economy. Tell me how less then 1% of the economy caused this mess.



Do you ever stop lying? The GOP repealed the GSA. Sure Clinton signed it, but it was their idea.



Want to show how 1% of the economy caused this mess?



Again, Want to show how 1% of the economy caused this mess?



Again, Want to show how 1% of the economy caused this mess? Or you can just keep failing.

You have utterly failed to address anything you quoted.

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The real story:

Housing contributes to GDP in two basic ways: through private residential investment and consumption spending on housing services. Historically, residential investment has averaged roughly 5 percent of GDP while housing services have averaged between 12 and 13 percent, for a combined 17 to 18 percent of GDP. These shares tend to vary over the business cycle.

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Now, what percentage of forum users post nonsense that is easily refuted with a quick search, and then don't back it up?

I'll let you reasearch that one.

Holy ****, the OP is hilarious and is a perfect example of politicians being entirely dishonest without actually lying. From the OP:

No one is accusing the Obama administration of destroying documents, but Republicans are expected to try to ensure that all records — on a range of issues — are kept intact.



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SO, while no one is doing anything wrong, some republicans let the press know they are going to urge Obama officials not to do what they are not doing anyway, and have no evidence they would do, all to get a story with the misleading headline. Well done republicans in once again lowering politics a little more into the realm of cheap theatrics.

Redress said:

Holy ****, the OP is hilarious and is a perfect example of politicians being entirely dishonest without actually lying. From the OP:



SO, while no one is doing anything wrong, some republicans let the press know they are going to urge Obama officials not to do what they are not doing anyway, and have no evidence they would do, all to get a story with the misleading headline. Well done republicans in once again lowering politics a little more into the realm of cheap theatrics.

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It's a little bit like that birth certificate that the birthers keep yammering on about, isn't it?

Dittohead not! said:

Now, what percentage of forum users post nonsense that is easily refuted with a quick search, and then don't back it up?

I'll let you reasearch that one.

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That doesn't actually tell us anything. The problem within the housing was the subprime loans. Which make up a significently smaller portion of total housing. Furthermore, your cited numbers is total housing impact, from refinancing to remodeling. I'm not in any way talking about that.

Residential investment includes construction of new single family and multifamily structures, residential remodeling, production of manufactured homes, and brokers’ fees. Consumption spending on housing services includes gross rents (which include utilities) paid by renters, and owners' imputed rent (an estimate of how much it would cost to rent owner-occupied units), and utility payments. Including owners' imputed rent in GDP has been standard practice in national income accounting for a long time. Were owners' imputed rent not included, an increase in the homeownership rate would cause GDP to decline.

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I'll let you research that one.