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Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

And people's previous points debunking that theory didn't phase you? And now you are resorting to personal attacks I see. You don't know me, so you really have no place to make assumptions about me. Is it that hard for you to stay on topic?

The people that debunked what I said are pro legalization.......I did not attack you, you asked me and I told you.........
 
The people that debunked what I said are pro kegalization.......I did not attack you, you asked me and I told you.........

That doesn't invalidate their points. You have yet to respond to them. Also, you did attack me. Perhaps you should re-read your message. How does my username apply to the topic at hand?
 
Maybe they debunked you because what you believe is debunkable, and hence they are pro legalisation?
 
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Isn't pot a gateway drug to potentially worse substances? Knowing at least 2 people who... "moved on to better things"... I would think this is not uncommon.
 
Isn't pot a gateway drug to potentially worse substances? Knowing at least 2 people who... "moved on to better things"... I would think this is not uncommon.

Like beer leads to whiskey pot leads to hard drugs..........
 
Isn't pot a gateway drug to potentially worse substances? Knowing at least 2 people who... "moved on to better things"... I would think this is not uncommon.

It's not a gateway drug in the fact that pot by itself leads to harder drugs. It's a gateway drug because we are taught that pot is just as bad as the harder drugs, and when someone try's it, and realizes it's not as bad as the harder drugs they assume the whole drug education they got was BS, so they try harder drugs, not knowing that while pot isn't as bad as they were taught, the other drugs are.
 
Even if we accept that premise, I'd content "Beer leads to whiskey" because beer is legal and whiskey is legal so there's no major harm legally in moving up. That would not be true if you legalize pot but not hard drugs.

Again, the people who do pot already aren't going to add anything to the statistics of things...they already do it. The people who would add to the statistics if it was legalized would be those that don't smoke it now. The majority of those who don't smoke it now I'd wager are people who don't because of the legal consequences. If they're not going to do it due to the legal consequences, there's no reasonable reason to believe they'll magically start doing illegal drugs if pot is legalized.
 
You smoke pot and pretty soon the buzz wears off and you want something stronger.....The same with beer and whiskey.......You want a bigger high.....
 
I love the old gateway theory. Because we all learned in school that correlation = causation, right? Oh wait ...

Let's use the gateway logic to its logical conclusion. Most hard drugs users tried pot first. Most pot smokers tried tobacco first. Most tobacco users tried chocolate first. OMG chocolate is a gateway to hard drug addition! Someone go arrest the CEO of Hersheys! See how easy that was? I just stated a bunch of unrelated facts and then pretended I had discovered some sort of correlation and then immediately leaped from correlation to causation. It's a fun and easy way to make up stuff to support your position!

You want to know pot is a "gateway" drug? People are forced to buy weed from drug dealers. And guess what? Drug dealers deal in drugs. so they're exposed to the illegal drug scene which includes harder drugs. And yes, some people are going to always search for a bigger and better high. But that's just the way some folks are. Even if we erradicated pot from the face of the earth, they'd still do it. They'd skip the "pot phase" and move right to the next step in the on the dreaded path to hard drugs.
 
its not the drug that is the gateway, it is the legal status, but don't take my word for it, take the words from an ONDCP (Office of National Drug Control Policy) sanctioned Institute of Medicine report. The following quotes are both directly from the report.

First we see the ONDCP sanctions a report, and they stress their desire for the researchers to look into the gateway hypothesis:

The fear that marijuana use might cause, as opposed to merely precede, the use of drugs that are more harmful of great concern. Judging from comments submitted to the IOM study team, this appears to be an even greater concern than the harms directly related to marijuana itself.

So the report does look into the gateway hypothesis, and in doing so the report concludes this:

it is the legal status of marijuana that makes it a gateway drug.

Marijuana as Medicine - Assessing the Science Base - Institute of Medicine Report - Chapter 3.21 if anyone is compelled to read the entirety of their findings regarding the gateway hypothesis

Of course this was not publicized nor stressed when the report came out since it goes against message, so the debunked marijuana as a gateway drug hypothesis lives on as evidenced here.
 
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That is a stereotype and it simply isn't true. Study says marijuana no gateway drug | Science Blog

Many of the stereotypes that people believe about marijuana were (and still are) a part of the whole anti-drug movement as a way to combat drugs with irrational fear and paranoia. Just look at the movie "Reefer Madness" for evidence of this.
 
You smoke pot and pretty soon the buzz wears off and you want something stronger.....The same with beer and whiskey.......You want a bigger high.....

I don't know what type of beer you drink, but that isn't the case. Also, your idea that pots leads to stronger drunks is wrong. I have plenty of friends who just smoke pot and won't touch anything else. You are trying to make a connection that honestly isn't very strong.
 
You know, I kinda wish Korimyr was involved in this thread. He's say he thinks drugs are bad for individuals and by extension bad for society and therefore they should be banned. And when confronted with questions that say what about personal freedom to make our own decisions, he'd say "I'm a fascist. I don't don't believe in personal freedoms." I obviously strongly disagree with the fascist ideology, but I can admire the honesty and the consistency.

I'd have a lot more respect for prohibition advocates if they had the testicular fortitude to admit they too don't believe in personal freedom. Of course most of them will go in other discussions and passionately defend personal freedoms such as the right to speech, the right to bear arms, and right to free assembly. Hypocrites.
 
If alcohol is legal, it is hypocritical to make marijuana illegal. It should be legalized and controlled just as Alcohol is.
 
The real gateway buzz is spinning in circles to get dizzy, the spinners move on to making each other pass out, and then soon they are in middle school and trying out pot because it is so easy to attain, and then the **** just goes from there. Some people just have a propensity to enter altered states, and others don't.

legalization would include laws regarding sales and distribution to minors, thus making it more difficult for juveniles to get drugs, delaying the age of first use, and significantly lowering the potential for lifetime use and abuse.
 
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You smoke pot and pretty soon the buzz wears off and you want something stronger.....The same with beer and whiskey.......You want a bigger high.....

Most studies indicate that alcohol is a much stronger "gateway" drug than is marijuana. More people do stupid things while drunk than stoned.
 
I love the old gateway theory. Because we all learned in school that correlation = causation, right? Oh wait ...
Thats right, we do learn this... Ask anyone about the reasons for the civil war.....
 
Like beer leads to whiskey pot leads to hard drugs..........

That is BS and a myth that has been discredited time and again. Why am I not surprised that you would still try to make than argument?
 
Most studies indicate that alcohol is a much stronger "gateway" drug than is marijuana. More people do stupid things while drunk than stoned.

It depends who is doing the studies..........Studies also say that pot eats brain cells......Someone made a joke about the reason prop 19 did not pass is because the pot users were to stoned to get out and vote.....Lot of truth there...........
 
It depends who is doing the studies..........Studies also say that pot eats brain cells......Someone made a joke about the reason prop 19 did not pass is because the pot users were to stoned to get out and vote.....Lot of truth there...........

So how do you feel about this study:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660210
 
The BBC is one of the most liberal rags in the world...They have a progressive axe to grind.......

If you are going to try to refute something, you should do it with substance instead of just claiming that something is liberally biased. BTW, did it occur to you that the BBC only wrote the article and that the study was conducted by actual scientists?
 
The stoners lose again, even in California..........Eat your heart out Disney Dude:)


Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated | abc7.com


LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- One of the most controversial measures on Tuesday's ballot is Proposition 19, the initiative to legalize, regulate and tax marijuana in California. It was sure to be challenged, even if voters approved it. Some lawmakers had already been preparing to tax cannabis sales. The measure was defeated Tuesday night.

The Associated Press called the measure defeated at 9:45 p.m. Tuesday.

What was missing in the debate, and apparently by you, is that medical marijuana is prescribed by doctors, the same as all other medical prescriptions.

The tragedy is that MM is the only effective pain killer, and those millions who live in pain will be forced to deal with underground sources and give the profit to thugs who don't pay taxes.

ricksfolly
 
If you are going to try to refute something, you should do it with substance instead of just claiming that something is liberally biased. BTW, did it occur to you that the BBC only wrote the article and that the study was conducted by actual scientists?

I don't have to...Its obvious to anyone that knows anything about politics that the BBC is a left wing rag.......Its about as left wing as moveon.org....If you did not know that then your the only one doesn't.........
 
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