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Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

Harry Guerrilla said:
Federal law does not always win over state law.
Federal law has to meet a set of guidelines before it can be enacted over all the states.

The feds would have a hard time arguing that they have the right to control a substance that is only sold in California, it doesn't meet the qualifications of interstate commerce.
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The state of California would have a hard time convincing a judge that their legalization of the substance isn't affecting other states from people coming in to buy and then crossing back into Oregon, Arizona, Nevada, etc.
 
Caine said:
The state of California would have a hard time convincing a judge that their legalization of the substance isn't affecting other states from people coming in to buy and then crossing back into Oregon, Arizona, Nevada, etc.
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SCOTUS ruled decades ago that State A's commerce always affects State B's commerce even if the commerical goods never cross state lines. I would like to see that ruling overturned during the same procedings that declare the Federal drug laws unconstitutional.
 
Francisqueins said:
;) So, what's next: To make alcohol consumption ILLEGAL again???
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Prohibition (The Noble Experiment/Volstead Act of 1919) was an early attempt at legislating morality at the Federal level and it failed miserably. Besides, more than half the states at that time already had statutes prohibiting alcohol. The enumeration clause of Article I Section VIII gave no authority to the Federal Government back then to address such an issue, nor should it have any today. It's completely un-Constitutional! All drug laws (as with many others) should belong solely to the individual state's authority.

See the 10th Amendment
 
Caine said:
The state of California would have a hard time convincing a judge that their legalization of the substance isn't affecting other states from people coming in to buy and then crossing back into Oregon, Arizona, Nevada, etc.
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It wouldn't be legal btw. It just wouldn't be subject to criminal penalties.
The only reason people would cross borders to get it would be if it were significantly cheaper.
AFAIK, there's plenty of pot available in all 50 states.
 
How long before this goes before a judge and the will of the people is ignored...again?
 
apdst said:
How long before this goes before a judge and the will of the people is ignored...again?
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That depends. Do those who seek to keep marijuana illegal have ironclad reasons for doing so, backed up by expert testimony and evidence which would stand up under scrutiny in a court of law? If so, they are miles ahead of the Prop 8 crowd, which had none of these.
 
I'm willing to bet my bottom dollar the DEA purposely waited until after prop 19 to pull this off...

U.S. authorities have discovered 30 tons of marijuana that were part of a smuggling operation using a tunnel under the California-Mexico border, officials said Wednesday.
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Authorities discover 30 tons of marijuana, border tunnel - CNN.com

This is what the older conservative crowd wanted, they'd rather allow Mexican drug cartels to profit of Marijuana rather than the government. You know if it was legal they would have probably shut the tunnel down but now they'll probably just dig another one.
 
I do not consider potheads to have credibility.
 
Good to know. Still doesn't change the fact California is losing decent amount of money by not passing this.
 
we just need all the old idiots to go 6 feet under, then sensible legislation can finally occur.
 
soccerboy22 said:
Good to know. Still doesn't change the fact California is losing decent amount of money by not passing this.
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True. There are quite a lot of scandalous things we can allow and tax. Let us try LSD as an example next.
 
Wake said:
True. There are quite a lot of scandalous things we can allow and tax. Let us try LSD as an example next.
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LSD and weed aren't even close to the same thing. I think people would honestly be surprised how many people they knew that have done weed at least once or twice.
 
Wake said:
I do not consider potheads to have credibility.
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So, ignore many great works of literature, art, and music, plenty of classical philosophers, and many scientists during the last century. Many of those folks used drugs, and to excess. And many of our political leaders. Coke-fiend GWB anyone?
 
soccerboy22 said:
LSD and weed aren't even close to the same thing. I think people would honestly be surprised how many people they knew that have done weed at least once or twice.
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That was a random example. Weed is carcinogenic and more potent than in the 60's. Ideally, tobacco should be banned as well because it kills more and costs more in healthcare. But because of addiction, that will never happen.
 
Paschendale said:
So, ignore many great works of literature, art, and music, plenty of classical philosophers, and many scientists during the last century. Many of those folks used drugs, and to excess. And many of our political leaders. Coke-fiend GWB anyone?
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Prove yourself.
 
Wake said:
That was a random example. Weed is carcinogenic and more potent than in the 60's. Ideally, tobacco should be banned as well because it kills more and costs more in healthcare. But because of addiction, that will never happen.
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Then hell why don't ban alcohol?
 
Navy Pride said:
The stoners lose again, even in California..........Eat your heart out Disney Dude:)


Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated | abc7.com


LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- One of the most controversial measures on Tuesday's ballot is Proposition 19, the initiative to legalize, regulate and tax marijuana in California. It was sure to be challenged, even if voters approved it. Some lawmakers had already been preparing to tax cannabis sales. The measure was defeated Tuesday night.

The Associated Press called the measure defeated at 9:45 p.m. Tuesday.
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I think it failed because people who smoke didn't get behind it because of the tax, or they realized it was pretty much a waste of effort because the POT HEAD Governator signed a new law just a few days ago that made possession equal to a traffic ticket, for an ounce or less.

Besides if you can afford it go to one of the Medical dispensers and get a Prescription and if you get caught by less than the DEA or FBI just flash the phony Prescription and as long as you're not driving stoned you're home free. No harm no foul.

The big deal in California is the Death on the State do to the failure of Prop- 23 and which will cost every family in the State about $10,000 a year and tha't before all the taxes that will come because the fools voted to allow the Liberals to control all future budgets with no input of anyone else like it or not, and with Brown back in charge there is nothing to stop the Unions from further destroying what little is left of the economy.

This State is going to die a quick death now and I have talked with many people who are preparing to move before the total collapse.

I am one of them.
 
Caine said:
The state of California would have a hard time convincing a judge that their legalization of the substance isn't affecting other states from people coming in to buy and then crossing back into Oregon, Arizona, Nevada, etc.
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Those people would be committing a felony yes, but the fact that California is not wanting to legalize it for sales out of state, makes the difference.

Hell they can add an in state I.D. requirement that should cover that.
 
Bottom line is grass eats brain cells....No thanks.........
 
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