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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Well that sucks for Cali. A lot of money could have been made off the stuff. Plus with Berkley right there.

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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    I cannot believe anyone who tokes wants the gov't imposing taxes on weed. Good Heavens, they've made cigarettes cost more than gold with all the taxes. The go'vt would make sure all the good stuff gets taken out of pot. While this seems like a defeat, consider it a victory for what it didn;t cost you.
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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    I cannot believe anyone who tokes wants the gov't imposing taxes on weed. Good Heavens, they've made cigarettes cost more than gold with all the taxes. The go'vt would make sure all the good stuff gets taken out of pot. While this seems like a defeat, consider it a victory for what it didn;t cost you.
    I would take those cost's over the cost's of imprisoning non violent drug offenders.
    Also since I don't smoke it now, but probably would if it was legal, these wouldn't be an extra cost to me. Plus people I know who do smoke, would probably take that cost, over having to deal with drug dealers.

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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    In the battle of liberty vs prohibition, Prohibition won yesterday.


    I don't smoke weed, most folks who make weed thier lives annoy the hell out of me, but restricting freedom is never right, no matter wich party.
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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    To quote a friend of mine who is living in California, "Who cares, you can get a medical card so easily it's a joke. So basically it's legal if you pay $150. "

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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    The main problem with any of the de-criminalization laws is even though they're enacted by the states is the Feds will still send their own thugs to break down people's doors.
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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    The main problem with any of the de-criminalization laws is enacted by the states is the Feds will still send their own thugs to break down people's doors.
    Exactly. Pot will unfortunately have to be legalized on a Federal level before any progress can really be made. Either that, or they will just have to stop stomping on individual state rights.

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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    On top of that, even if Prop 19 passes, it's still federally illegal and the law falls the second it get's challenged by the federal government as federal law trumps state law.
    I don't think this instance is exactly like that. The two laws aren't in conflict. The federal law would still stand. But there would be no additional criminal penalties at the state level. There's no obligation for states to have laws that are redundant with federal laws.
    One couldn't use the federal laws to force CA to enact a law that criminalized marijuana. However, Californians could still be prosecuted under federal law--just not under state law.

    The city where I live did what Scotland Yard ended up doing, making a work-around to the marijuana laws. Scotland Yard and my city both made it a matter of policy that marijuana crimes would be given the least priority behind all other crimes. So if they catch you committing another crime and you have some pot on you, you'll be charged with it. If they see you smoking some pot, they may look the other way if they have something else to do.
    Scotland Yard's argument was that they just had better things to do with their resources.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    California would end up spending more money that it doesn't have trying to defend the law during the challenge in federal court, etc, etc, etc. While the feds would put a hold on enacting said law for the challenge to go forward, meaning the bill would end up costing the state money without ever making it any money.
    AmIRite?
    On what grounds? What is the case that CA has to have redundant laws with the federal laws? Is there a federal law that describes what punishments states have to mete out for pot?
    I may be wrong.

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