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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Isn't pot a gateway drug to potentially worse substances? Knowing at least 2 people who... "moved on to better things"... I would think this is not uncommon.
    Like beer leads to whiskey pot leads to hard drugs..........
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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Isn't pot a gateway drug to potentially worse substances? Knowing at least 2 people who... "moved on to better things"... I would think this is not uncommon.
    It's not a gateway drug in the fact that pot by itself leads to harder drugs. It's a gateway drug because we are taught that pot is just as bad as the harder drugs, and when someone try's it, and realizes it's not as bad as the harder drugs they assume the whole drug education they got was BS, so they try harder drugs, not knowing that while pot isn't as bad as they were taught, the other drugs are.

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    Even if we accept that premise, I'd content "Beer leads to whiskey" because beer is legal and whiskey is legal so there's no major harm legally in moving up. That would not be true if you legalize pot but not hard drugs.

    Again, the people who do pot already aren't going to add anything to the statistics of things...they already do it. The people who would add to the statistics if it was legalized would be those that don't smoke it now. The majority of those who don't smoke it now I'd wager are people who don't because of the legal consequences. If they're not going to do it due to the legal consequences, there's no reasonable reason to believe they'll magically start doing illegal drugs if pot is legalized.
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    You smoke pot and pretty soon the buzz wears off and you want something stronger.....The same with beer and whiskey.......You want a bigger high.....
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    I love the old gateway theory. Because we all learned in school that correlation = causation, right? Oh wait ...

    Let's use the gateway logic to its logical conclusion. Most hard drugs users tried pot first. Most pot smokers tried tobacco first. Most tobacco users tried chocolate first. OMG chocolate is a gateway to hard drug addition! Someone go arrest the CEO of Hersheys! See how easy that was? I just stated a bunch of unrelated facts and then pretended I had discovered some sort of correlation and then immediately leaped from correlation to causation. It's a fun and easy way to make up stuff to support your position!

    You want to know pot is a "gateway" drug? People are forced to buy weed from drug dealers. And guess what? Drug dealers deal in drugs. so they're exposed to the illegal drug scene which includes harder drugs. And yes, some people are going to always search for a bigger and better high. But that's just the way some folks are. Even if we erradicated pot from the face of the earth, they'd still do it. They'd skip the "pot phase" and move right to the next step in the on the dreaded path to hard drugs.
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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    its not the drug that is the gateway, it is the legal status, but don't take my word for it, take the words from an ONDCP (Office of National Drug Control Policy) sanctioned Institute of Medicine report. The following quotes are both directly from the report.

    First we see the ONDCP sanctions a report, and they stress their desire for the researchers to look into the gateway hypothesis:

    The fear that marijuana use might cause, as opposed to merely precede, the use of drugs that are more harmful of great concern. Judging from comments submitted to the IOM study team, this appears to be an even greater concern than the harms directly related to marijuana itself.
    So the report does look into the gateway hypothesis, and in doing so the report concludes this:

    it is the legal status of marijuana that makes it a gateway drug.
    Marijuana as Medicine - Assessing the Science Base - Institute of Medicine Report - Chapter 3.21 if anyone is compelled to read the entirety of their findings regarding the gateway hypothesis

    Of course this was not publicized nor stressed when the report came out since it goes against message, so the debunked marijuana as a gateway drug hypothesis lives on as evidenced here.
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    That is a stereotype and it simply isn't true. Study says marijuana no gateway drug | Science Blog

    Many of the stereotypes that people believe about marijuana were (and still are) a part of the whole anti-drug movement as a way to combat drugs with irrational fear and paranoia. Just look at the movie "Reefer Madness" for evidence of this.

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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You smoke pot and pretty soon the buzz wears off and you want something stronger.....The same with beer and whiskey.......You want a bigger high.....
    I don't know what type of beer you drink, but that isn't the case. Also, your idea that pots leads to stronger drunks is wrong. I have plenty of friends who just smoke pot and won't touch anything else. You are trying to make a connection that honestly isn't very strong.

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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    You know, I kinda wish Korimyr was involved in this thread. He's say he thinks drugs are bad for individuals and by extension bad for society and therefore they should be banned. And when confronted with questions that say what about personal freedom to make our own decisions, he'd say "I'm a fascist. I don't don't believe in personal freedoms." I obviously strongly disagree with the fascist ideology, but I can admire the honesty and the consistency.

    I'd have a lot more respect for prohibition advocates if they had the testicular fortitude to admit they too don't believe in personal freedom. Of course most of them will go in other discussions and passionately defend personal freedoms such as the right to speech, the right to bear arms, and right to free assembly. Hypocrites.
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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    If alcohol is legal, it is hypocritical to make marijuana illegal. It should be legalized and controlled just as Alcohol is.
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