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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    We did once............It didn't work
    That should tell you why, continuing to criminalize weed, won't work either.

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    besides we already have drunks on the highways we don't need stoners there to.........
    They are already there, you just don't know it.
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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    That was a random example. Weed is carcinogenic and more potent than in the 60's. Ideally, tobacco should be banned as well because it kills more and costs more in healthcare. But because of addiction, that will never happen.
    There is a rapidly growing body of scientific papers that are showing cannabinoids to have very promising potential for fighting cancer, and actually reversing tumors.

    There have been studies expecting to find elevated cancer rates in pot smokers, and they did not find this to be the case. Although there are carcinogens inherent in smoke (which is a crude and ineffective delivery system) they seem to be offset by the anticarcinogenic properties of cannabinoids themselves.

    It being more potent than in the 60's is a non issue.. a user tends to titrate their dosage and smoke less when it is stronger. This is the same concept as a drinker who will either have 48 ounces of beer, or 6 ounces of scotch because it is more potent. The dosage of alcohol or THC ends up remaining essentially the same.
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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Just about everything we have heard about the dangers of POT are a CROCK.

    Pot was not discovered by the Hip Cats, or Zoot Suiters. Pot has been used for various purposes since at least 7000BC, and was legal for use until August 2, 1937,when it was made illegal by the Feds, based on Racism, lies, for profit because of the uses of the Hemp plant was so much better than any other fiber for clothing, and other items.

    An organized effort was put forth for years to demonize Pot and it's use was claimed to be the cause of some sensational murder cases that were complete B.S.

    The Movie I saw in High School, Reefer Madness was a total fabrication and I believe that when a lot of young people learned that it did not make you a sex crazed maniac is what caused a spike in the use of all other drugs in the 60s, because the kids said well hell they lied about Pot. Did they lie about all the rest, and what about sex?

    There is a lot more but this is enough other than to say most of what people here are saying here is more misinformation.

    I'm not claiming it's good for you, but in moderation it is pretty much harmless as long as you don't drive or fly a plane, or operate machinery, or operate as in doing surgery etc.

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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    They are already there.
    They are the ones doing 45 in the right hand lane looking for the Taco Bell
    If grass were legal there would be a lot more.........
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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If grass were legal there would be a lot more.........
    I doubt it. Further, driving under the influence is already a crime and would still be a crime.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If grass were legal there would be a lot more.........
    I will never understand the irrational paranoia that some people have regarding marijuana.

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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I will never understand the irrational paranoia that some people have regarding marijuana.
    And to think.. the ones using it are supposed to be the paranoid ones
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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Pretty much anyone who wants to get marijuana can get it already.
    I doubt that there are very many people who want pot who won't get any until it's decriminalized.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If grass were legal there would be a lot more.........
    This is actually very poor logical thinking. Here's why.

    Driving while intoxicated is illegal. If someone is engaging in illegal activity at a relatively common level they are unlikely to be disuaded from engaging in other illegal activity that is even less severe. The punishment for smoking marijuana is far less than that of driving while intoxicated. So its reasonable to say that MANY of those who do not smoke pot now because its illegal, but would if it was legalized, would NOT drive while intoxicated because they're people who actively try to stay within the law.

    Furthermore, it assumes that everyone that will start smoking that didn't already would not already be engaging in a LEGAL mind influencing drink. IE, to believe that a LOT more people would DWI it would mean that there's a lot of people out there who don't DRINK, and don't smoke because its illegal, but would smoke if it was made legal.

    Now, forgive me, but I don't believe that number is extremely large.

    So you're going to have a small segment of people who will begin smoking, that didn't before, that didn't drink before either. Out of those you're going to need the ones that didn't avoid smoking due to fear of violation the law. That group then becomes your "most likely" people to DWI with the legalization of marijuana.

    Frankly, I do not think that that number would be "A lot".

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    Re: Proposition 19 to legalize marijuana defeated....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This is actually very poor logical thinking. Here's why.

    Driving while intoxicated is illegal. If someone is engaging in illegal activity at a relatively common level they are unlikely to be disuaded from engaging in other illegal activity that is even less severe. The punishment for smoking marijuana is far less than that of driving while intoxicated. So its reasonable to say that MANY of those who do not smoke pot now because its illegal, but would if it was legalized, would NOT drive while intoxicated because they're people who actively try to stay within the law.

    Furthermore, it assumes that everyone that will start smoking that didn't already would not already be engaging in a LEGAL mind influencing drink. IE, to believe that a LOT more people would DWI it would mean that there's a lot of people out there who don't DRINK, and don't smoke because its illegal, but would smoke if it was made legal.

    Now, forgive me, but I don't believe that number is extremely large.

    So you're going to have a small segment of people who will begin smoking, that didn't before, that didn't drink before either. Out of those you're going to need the ones that didn't avoid smoking due to fear of violation the law. That group then becomes your "most likely" people to DWI with the legalization of marijuana.

    Frankly, I do not think that that number would be "A lot".
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