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2010 Midterm Results Discussion

I have read and read the Constitution and no where do I find marriage or sexual orientation and do not see where equal protection laws were violated but according to liberals the Constitution is a living breathing document that can be interpreted any way someone wants. I reject that. If it isn't in the Constitution then it isn't protect by the equal protection laws but that doesn't prevent legislators from trying to do that. Let's see that happen?

Actually you better leave well enough alone. You are going to force the American people to support a Constitutional Amendment that will pass defining Marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Then what do you do?
 
Having health care is a huge burden. Better to simply not be treated when you need help. Ss and Medicare are simply too much trouble and we need to make sure there is no safety net at all. Human suffering is a priviledge. And we sure as hell dion't need roads built or fixed by government. Pot holes are fun. We don't need snow plouges or animal disposal or the health department or anything at all. Let the strong survive and the weak die. Fair enough.

Having healthcare wouldn't be such a huge burden if there weren't so many regulations around the health care industry, and companies weren't giving out company healthcare policies, and our income wan't being tax'd and we got to keep more of our money....people wouldn't be dying of treatable desieses if they learned how to save up money to pay for things when emergencies instead of relying on credit cards to mortgage their lives. As much as I want everyone to get the help they need...and believe me I do....I don't want people's help to come at my forced expense. Nobody should have a right to my life except for me, even if they are dying. If i didn't cause that person's life, then it shoudn't be my responsibility, unless I choose for it to be.
 
Actually you better leave well enough alone. You are going to force the American people to support a Constitutional Amendment that will pass defining Marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Then what do you do?

Does it ever occur to Republicans that populism is a bad idea, and non-republican?

Anyway, bullying the judicial branch is one thing. Constitutional amendments are another.
 
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Actually you better leave well enough alone. You are going to force the American people to support a Constitutional Amendment that will pass defining Marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Then what do you do?

I doubt they could ever get such an admendment passed. The requirement to do so is too dififcult. But, judges have to adhere to the law, and that is how it should be. having them answer to political whims is a bad idea.
 
Health care and education.

competition in education is bad when charter schools and private schools beat the crap out of the public school system hands down....health care shouldn't have competition when this system has lead to the most advanced and best healthcare you can get IN THE WORLD.....but competition is bad....i just don't see it.
 
We actually do keep more of our money than those folks who live in most other countries. Consider yourself lucky, and besides, taxes Will need to go up to finance the government.
 
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competition in education is bad when charter schools and private schools beat the crap out of the public school system hands down....health care shouldn't have competition when this system has lead to the most advanced and best healthcare you can get IN THE WORLD.....but competition is bad....i just don't see it.

Not sure they do. ir ead something on that recently that questioned that assumption. But, competition sometimes leads to cheaper, and inferior products. They sell as well. So, while sometimes competition improves, it also sometimes provides worse. We can't afford that risk in education and health care.
 
They submitted multiple budget and healthcare proposals to Obama that were roundly rejected. Obama even had the classy remark of "Look, I won the election" right to their faces in a way of telling Ryan, Boehner, etc, to STFU.

What a liberal from Canada wouldn't understand is that 70+ percent of Americans were against the stimulus, the healthcare bill, cap and trade, and everything else this buffoon passed. He knew they would be, which is why he ram-rodded everything through WHEN DEMOCRATS HADN'T EVEN READ THE BILLS.

Submitting proposals that you have no intentions of negotiating, or wheeling and dealing on, is NOT an example of trying to collaborate. All I saw from the GOP when they were in charge was, "We're in charge; it's our way or the highway."

I don't blame Americans for being against the fairy tales about the health care bill. I don't want "government takeover" or "death panels," but that is a load of [expletive deleted] scaremongering propaganda fed on a gullible public by conservatives who have shown no interest in addressing some very real issues of people being unable to get coverage because of pre-existing conditions or an income that's too low (but high enough not to qualify for Medicaid) to afford the insurance premiums. I haven't seen a single realistic counterproposal from conservatives to address these issues.
 
We actually do keep more of our money than those folks who live in most other countries. Consider yourself lucky, and besides, taxes Will need to go up to finance the government. For more news and commentary, check out The Bond

inflation is a hidden tax. it is so hidden, you don't really have the ability to calculate how much of your labor you get to keep.

plus, I don't really care how other countries operate.
 
Yep, they could have sat at the back of the bus. Where was that attempt to compromise?

That's what the GOP controlled Congress told the Dems during the Bush-Cheney years. You mean to say it's OK for your heroes to treat the opposition that way but not OK for them to behave the same way?

I like to think that it's deplorable for EITHER side to do that, and I AM disgusted with the Dems for doing that the past two years. Unfortunately, they're politicians, who seem to be notoriously unable to learn from their mistakes.
 
Health care and education.

how do we know what things should cost without two seeprate people competing for your business? what keeps them from just charging anything they want?
 
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet in the deterioration of partisan bickering, but Bennett has just barely pulled ahead and is already declaring victory in CO.

United States Senator
97% OF PRECINCTS REPORTING
Michael Bennet (D / Inc.) 793,164 48%

Ken Buck (R) 777,726 47%
 
competition in education is bad when charter schools and private schools beat the crap out of the public school system hands down....health care shouldn't have competition when this system has lead to the most advanced and best healthcare you can get IN THE WORLD.....but competition is bad....i just don't see it.

Private schools are better because people abnormally devoted to education support them. Not everybody has the time, capital, or character to be abnormally devoted to primary education institutions. For them, there are public schools.
 
Not sure they do. ir ead something on that recently that questioned that assumption. But, competition sometimes leads to cheaper, and inferior products. They sell as well. So, while sometimes competition improves, it also sometimes provides worse. We can't afford that risk in education and health care.

cool i'd like to read that if you have it :eek:) I wouldn't say that competition leads to inferior products as much as it leads to products more in line with what customer's want. If people want better price over quality then the thing with better price will sell better, or someone will find a way to make better quality for lower price...but this is so rarely the case that I don't see why it would even be a consideration. When it comes to education we're not talking about a consumable good, this is something that can be tested imperically, what will happen is when there is competition among schools, teachers will be held more accountable, they will think of more new and innovative ways to teach...instead of having corriculum dictated by a single entaty and distributed to the masses whether it's right or wrong.
 
Does it ever occur to Republicans that populism is a bad idea, and non-republican?

Anyway, bullying the judicial branch is one thing. Constitutional amendments are another.

Right or wrong isn't a populism issue. No matter how you spin it, Marriage isn't a civil right and thus not covered by equal protection.
 
Big business is an easy target for liberals but it was small business that employs and hires 80% of the people in this country that turned out last night and voted the Democrats out including Strickland in Ohio.

It'll be interesting to see how you prove that claim. Or can I just figure that this is yet again more right wing hot air with no substance?
 
Private schools are better because people abnormally devoted to education support them. Not everybody has the time, capital, or character to be abnormally devoted to primary education institutions. For them, there are public schools.

you don't think that people not having the time, capital or character to devote to better schooling is a product of the liberal ideology? Think about it....people don't have time because they have to work too much to support lifestyles that are beyond their means, they don't have the capital, because they spend on things they don't need, instead of important things like.....education, they don't have the character, because our society and government are screaming at them BUY, BUY, BUY, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, BORROW, BORROW, BORROW, SPEND, BUY, BORROW SOME MORE, MORE, MORE!!! And the government further inforces this by buying spending and borrowing at breakneck speed, to teach us the right way to do it.

The bottom line is that eduction is NOT a right, and once we stop treating it like it is, people will actually value it.
 
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Yup, I was looking at that last night... of the seats up for grabs, 70% are owned by Democrats or left-leaning independents.

another who can see ahead!

yes, last nite was an absolute catastrophe of profound proportions for the 2012 prospects of the party in power

especially the president

i didn't want to get into it yet, it's not quite the most advantageous moment to point it out, but you are absolutely right

for the rest of the class less prescient, i'll spell it---ohio, florida, illinois, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, virginia, iowa, new mexico...

i'll get into the details later, it's all in the districts

keep kickin their butts, they deserve it and they got no way out

he has no cards to play, none

the obama agenda is dead
 
It'll be interesting to see how you prove that claim. Or can I just figure that this is yet again more right wing hot air with no substance?

Which claim? That small business is the lion share of job providers in this country? or that Demo's taking the Obama blue pill got tossed last night?

Both are equally easy to prove.

j-mac
 
You have so little faith in the American consumer and the free market capitalistic system. I am sure that you are extremely proud of the extremely effecient way the govt. operates. Do you have a choice where to send your tax dollars? If you don't like a particular business then start your own as that is what is great about this country. You can use your expertise to take business away from all those other "sleazy" businesses. That is the way our economy operates, the ineffecient businesses go out of business. What about that ineffecient Federal Govt? The Federal Govt is the only "business" that is recession proof.

Damn right I do. When the sleazy business practices are so widespread as to be universal, the consumer doesn't have a prayer of using "clout" to get a better deal, not if it's nonexistent. The only hope is to outlaw certain business practices, such as the ones done by the banking and credit card industries. Your bringning up the federal government is just an attempt to deflect away from the refusal by your conservative heroes to step in and put a stop to the shoddy practices of their corporate heroes and put the onus on the very consumers who are being ripped off by those shoddy practices.
 
It'll be interesting to see how you prove that claim. Or can I just figure that this is yet again more right wing hot air with no substance?

Very easy to find, go to the Dept. of Labor and Bureau of Labor Statistics and get the data. I could give it to you but you wouldn't learn anything.
 
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Damn right I do. When the sleazy business practices are so widespread as to be universal, the consumer doesn't have a prayer of using "clout" to get a better deal, not if it's nonexistent. The only hope is to outlaw certain business practices, such as the ones done by the banking and credit card industries. Your bringning up the federal government is just an attempt to deflect away from the refusal by your conservative heroes to step in and put a stop to the shoddy practices of their corporate heroes and put the onus on the very consumers who are being ripped off by those shoddy practices.

Tell me how you have been "screwed" by business? Why aren't you worried about the sleazy actions of the govt. instead of worrying about what you have control over. What I particular love about some people here is they believe they have a right to borrow money from whomever they want and then dictate the terms of that loan. That is the entitlement mentality of far too many. Who forces you to buy from anyone?
 
Some major contributors to that are how difficult it is to start a new business. First off you are tax'd outlandishly then you have to comply with all kinds of wate and leighbor regulations that limit new businesses ability to start new business. Of course there is no competition, because the businesses that started when it was easy to, are already in there, now new business has to overcome rediculous obsticals to make it....try getting a bunch of people who don't value their money to use less conveniant, but better alternatives....most people will put up with poor service for conveniance, because their money means nothing for them.......just start up another line of credit!!! FREEE MONEEEEEEEEYYYY!!! I'm sorry, but the government should not be in the business of protecting people from their own stupid choices.

I am sympathetic to the challenges small business owners face, and would support efforts to make things easier for them.

However, I was talking about the shoddy practices inflicted by businesses on consumers, perfectly responsible people who have made no "stupid choices," but have gotten dinged with a $40 credit card late fee because the company held onto their payment and didn't post it until AFTER the due date (even though they got the payment BEFORE). Since that kind of practice has been so widespread, it was next to impossible to shop around for a business that treated its customers better; hence, the need to outlaw practices such as that - and the conservatives have been against that kind of reform in business practices.

Even if people just decided en masses to ditch all their credit cards, there are still the banks. In our society and economy, it's not practical not to have a bank account of some kind, and responsible people were getting dinged with "NSF" fees because of creative account "management" by their banks, resulting in negative account balances when the money really was there. Again, we got reforms to outlaw those practices - despite the opposition of conservatives.
 
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