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2010 Midterm Results Discussion

Conservative said:
So which is it, Democrats tried to compromise with Republicans or didn't they? How do you explain Democrats outspending Republicans in this election? Guess it only matters when corporations that actually employ people and make payrolls spend their money instead of unions spending their workers' money!
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as has been explained several times now, unions, by law, can't spend 'dues' money on elections.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Their only concern for the last 2 years was trying to paint the President as Satan.
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nonsense, we principally opposed him on issue after issue CUZ HE'S WRONG

from suing arizona to moving ksm to manhattan to trying to reachout to iran to backing this stupid LOCAL mosque in new york...

all the poison in the obamacare...

we LIKE the 26 year old's on dad's dole, we LIKE the pre-existing provisions

they're palliatives microscopic in comparison to the tons of strychnine contained---the individual mandate (which aint goin nowhere), the taxes on benefits and devices, the imposition of 200B unfunded on already brokebacked states, the expansion of the m's by 12 million with no funding, the demand that employers insure up to 750K, the demand that insurers limit all overhead costs to 15%, the 1099's...

etc, etc, etc---we KNOW what's in this bill

if obama comes off looking bad (comparison to satan is absurd), it's cuz HE DID all the idiocy above, you can't blame us for not going along

our united and principled opposition may have put the president's perturbations on more hi profile display

but that would be his fault too

man up
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Hardly. Not really heartbroken over all this.
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Sure you are.

Since I really couldn't care less you're giving the keys back to the dudes who crashed the car in the first place.
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:lamo Yeah right Mr. "Other"......As you use the worn out Obama lines......:lamo

Nice Job :applaud
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Thanks.


j-mac
 
Conservative said:
So which is it, Democrats tried to compromise with Republicans or didn't they? How do you explain Democrats outspending Republicans in this election? Guess it only matters when corporations that actually employ people and make payrolls spend their money instead of unions spending their workers' money!
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I'm saying that neither of the two major parties makes a serious effort to "compromise" with the opposition when in power. How much candidates spend doesn't seem particularly relevant to that issue. I was referring to the GOP penchant for siding with businesses when their interests collide with the interests of consumers and individuals. An an example, how many GOPers supported the banking and credit card reform legislation that went into effect while the Dems had total control? (That's the legislatin that stopped some of the anti-consumer practices of banks and credit card companies. That kind of legislation never seems to see the light of day when the GOP is in control.)
 
randel said:
as has been explained several times now, unions, by law, can't spend 'dues' money on elections.
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Really? where did the unions get the money then to support Democrats? Money for unions doesn't come from its members? Interesting
 
randel said:
on every piece of legislation that came out the past few years....perhaps if obama and the dems truly did shut them out of everything, and ignored them, maybe more would have gotten done and quicker.
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Voters to Dems... stop. Just stop.
 
Birdzeye said:
I'm saying that neither of the two major parties makes a serious effort to "compromise" with the opposition when in power. How much candidates spend doesn't seem particularly relevant to that issue. I was referring to the GOP penchant for siding with businesses when their interests collide with the interests of consumers and individuals. An an example, how many GOPers supported the banking and credit card reform legislation that went into effect while the Dems had total control? (That's the legislatin that stopped some of the anti-consumer practices of banks and credit card companies. That kind of legislation never seems to see the light of day when the GOP is in control.)
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Businesses actually employ people thus why shouldn't government side with business? Democrats were wiped out last night and there is a reason for it, big govt. siding with special interests including the unions
 
Conservative said:
Really? where did the unions get the money then to support Democrats? Money for unions doesn't come from its members? Interesting
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When I belonged to a union, they solicited donations to their PACs. These were not dues money, and they were not tax deductible. I chose not to donate to them because I figured that, if I felt inclined to donate to some candidate's campaign (which I didn't), I'd just as soon give the money directly, not to some PAC that would decide for me who would get the money. The donations were truly voluntary and I never felt pressured or strongarmed to donate.
 
randel said:
as has been explained several times now, unions, by law, can't spend 'dues' money on elections.
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Well, that's just not true either is it now Randel?

In reality, the biggest outside spender is the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, which is pumping almost $88 million into TV commercials, phone banks, and mailings to promote Democratic candidates.

“We’re spending big,’’ AFSCME President Gerald McEntee boasted to The Wall Street Journal. “And we’re damn happy it’s big. And our members are damn happy it’s big — it’s their money.’’

AFSCME isn’t the only public-sector union “spending big’’ to influence the vote on Nov. 2. So is the National Education Association and the Service Employees International Union, respectively the nation’s largest and fastest-growing unions. Together, the three government-employee unions will have spent nearly $172 million campaigning for Democrats in the course of this election cycle. That outstrips by more than $30 million what the Chamber of Commerce and the Rove network combined are pouring into the 2010 campaign.

The ‘big dog’ in campaign spending - The Boston Globe
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Truth is that while you liberals cry about lobbyists, and special interests, Unions are among the biggest special interests in the game. And the most destructive to our system.

Here, inform yourself.

Next: Who Besides Boehner? | RedState

j-mac
 
Conservative said:
Businesses actually employ people thus why shouldn't government side with business?
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Depends on the context your talking about. Government shouldnt get in the way of business but only act as a referee and even that roll should be minimal.
 
Conservative said:
Businesses actually employ people thus why shouldn't government side with business? Democrats were wiped out last night and there is a reason for it, big govt. siding with special interests including the unions
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You do realize that if you invested $100,000 in NASDAQ the day Obama took office, it would be worth $177,000 today?

You also realize that business profits are at a record highs?
 
Conservative said:
Really? where did the unions get the money then to support Democrats? Money for unions doesn't come from its members? Interesting
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perhaps you should actually spend a little time and educate yourself....no, the money comes from the political action arms of the unions, who take , now here is the keyword..VOLUNTARY contributions/donations, and here is another key word, SEPARATE from dues. dues are not used...please quit propagating this lie. thankyou
 
Birdzeye said:
When I belonged to a union, they solicited donations to their PACs. These were not dues money, and they were not tax deductible. I chose not to donate to them because I figured that, if I felt inclined to donate to some candidate's campaign (which I didn't), I'd just as soon give the money directly, not to some PAC that would decide for me who would get the money. The donations were truly voluntary and I never felt pressured or strongarmed to donate.
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Interesting, think that is the way the SEIU works?
 
randel said:
perhaps you should actually spend a little time and educate yourself....no, the money comes from the political action arms of the unions, who take , now here is the keyword..VOLUNTARY contributions/donations, and here is another key word, SEPARATE from dues. dues are not used...please quit propagating this lie. thankyou
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Looks to me like the country spoke last night and in particular Ohio. maybe you ought to educate yourself on the issues.
 
Conservative said:
Looks to me like the country spoke last night and in particular Ohio. maybe you ought to educate yourself on the issues.
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lol..caught with pants down...lol
 
FilmFestGuy said:
You do realize that if you invested $100,000 in NASDAQ the day Obama took office, it would be worth $177,000 today?

You also realize that business profits are at a record highs?
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NASDAQ is down .35% as of 11:19 am cst. probably because Republicans got voted in and their already failed policies..:mrgreen:
 
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FilmFestGuy said:
You do realize that if you invested $100,000 in NASDAQ the day Obama took office, it would be worth $177,000 today?

You also realize that business profits are at a record highs?
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Yes, I do realize business profits are at record highs, how about thinking and telling me why? Ever read a P&L and do you understand what the biggest operating expense is for business? That is right payroll. High unemployment reduces operating expenses and thus businesses are doing more with less. Every dollar saved in expense is one dollar to the bottomline, every dollar generated in revenue is about 30% for most retail businesses. So according to you business then isn't as evil as Democrats want to proclaim?
 
Conservative said:
Businesses actually employ people thus why shouldn't government side with business? Democrats were wiped out last night and there is a reason for it, big govt. siding with special interests including the unions
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Uh, businesses sometimes don't treat their customers right, or fairly. I see no problem with setting limits to what they can do TO their customers. Those kinds of reforms only get passed when the Dems are in control, and always, it seems, get passed over GOP opposition. Surely you can't condone some of the practices of credit card companies, such as, not posting a payment until it's overdue - and then charging a late fee, even though the card holder submitted the payment in plenty of time to get it posted on time. It's not like a customer could just go take business elsewhere, not when such shoddy practices seem to be universal.

That Dems lost control of the House and some governorships is NOT a sign that people no longer care about being treated right by businesses, who don't seem inclined to do that and who fight any efforts to pass laws to prevent some of their shoddier practices.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Cap and Trade was never passed.
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true, it was crammed thru LOWER HOUSE by pelosi, one of her biggest mistakes was doing it BEFORE obamacare

leadership is so lame

it DIED upstairs and it's now even more DEAD than the concept of GLOBAL WARMING

BUT---their votes for nancy's cap and trade which led nowhere ultimately came to cost the JOBS of---glenn nye and tom perriello and rick boucher in virginia, paul kanjorski in pennsylvania, mark schauer in michigan, a trio of dems in tennessee, a few in illinois, oliviero in west virginia, harry teague in new mexico, edwards and rodriguez and ortiz in texas...

did you see how joe manchin won in west virginia, bearing down his scope and putting a bullet thru the bill?

and yet the white house is STILL as deadset on cap and trade as ever it was (which executive commitment, characteristically, kinda comes and goes)

it is what it is---an election of historic proporitions

more excuses?
 
Conservative said:
Businesses actually employ people thus why shouldn't government side with business? Democrats were wiped out last night and there is a reason for it, big govt. siding with special interests including the unions
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the government is supposed to represent 'the people' which includes every citizen, be they repub, dem, indy, libertarian, green..what have you...not 'big business'.....
 
Jetboogieman said:
I will enjoy my free Health Care that doesn't bankrupt me, or get taken away from me because I can't afford rediculous premiums...

I'll enjoy my better economy, better environment, better education and safer cities :mrgreen:
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Yet, you seem strangely obsessed with American politics. I understand, there's always an inner desire to hang with the "cool" crowd.

With all that utopian glee, why waste your time on a message board about American politics. Go outside and enjoy that homogenistic perfection known as Edmonton.
 
randel said:
the government is supposed to represent 'the people' which includes every citizen, be they repub, dem, indy, libertarian, green..what have you...not 'big business'.....
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Big business is an easy target for liberals but it was small business that employs and hires 80% of the people in this country that turned out last night and voted the Democrats out including Strickland in Ohio.
 
Conservative said:
Interesting, think that is the way the SEIU works?
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If you have evidence that SEIU extorts or blackmails "voluntary" donations out of its members, or uses dues money to give to candidates, why don't you provide some credible evidence. I wasn't a member of SEIU so I wouldn't know. So, let's see the evidence to back up your implied allegation.
 
Birdzeye said:
When I belonged to a union, they solicited donations to their PACs. These were not dues money, and they were not tax deductible. I chose not to donate to them because I figured that, if I felt inclined to donate to some candidate's campaign (which I didn't), I'd just as soon give the money directly, not to some PAC that would decide for me who would get the money. The donations were truly voluntary and I never felt pressured or strongarmed to donate.
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exactly..if i want to contribute, great, if not, thats great to.
 
Erod said:
Yet, you seem strangely obsessed with American politics. I understand, there's always an inner desire to hang with the "cool" crowd.

With all that utopian glee, why waste your time on a message board about American politics. Go outside and enjoy that homogenistic perfection known as Edmonton.
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Actually I live in Toronto at the moment.

Halifax is the best city on Earth, all my family still lives there.

Why do I care about American Politics?

I was Born and Raised in Africa. Lived in England and now Canada. What happens to you there, effects us all. That is why I am so invested in your politics, your successes and your failures.

And also. With people like you around. Entertainment is another great reason to be here :mrgreen:
 
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