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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think you misread what I've said, but the government would set it the same way we did.
    You set prices with the end goal of making a profit. So the government is also trying to make a profit?

    Doctors in Canda still get paid. Make a hundred thousand or more, depending on field, yearly. So do hospitals and nurses, and suppliers. they negotiate and use a formual to set prices. It's not a mystery.
    there is competition in Canada amongst Dr’s, nurses, and suppliers.

    And profit isn't the only incentive. A good number of the break throughs in medicine are done at state univeristies, with state money. I believe you're premise is flawed. People don't stop solving problems just because they are paid by the government.
    Universities compete heavily with one another.


    Who said there is NO profit? That too would be a flawed premise. No one I know of suggests no profit for anyone.
    You said nobody competes.

    I asked how pricing works if we aren’t competing for profits. In your simplistic unicorn and sunshine world, you might not see the direct correlation, but it does exist.

    Health care is a huge industry.

    I’ll list a few players, and you get to tell me which ones are free to compete, and which ones are indentured to the state.

    inventors
    nurses
    dr’s
    insurance companies
    scientists
    midwives
    government

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    You set prices with the end goal of making a profit. So the government is also trying to make a profit?
    No, but the people providing the service will be. The fomrual will be similar.


    there is competition in Canada amongst Dr’s, nurses, and suppliers.
    A similar system here would be structured similarly. We could even do it differently, but providers would still make money.

    Universities compete heavily with one another.
    Sure, but in a different way. The point is, government money hasn't prevented them from creating and discovering. This system would not change.


    You said nobody competes.
    I think you are badly misreading what I'm saying. I am perplexed as to how or why.

    I asked how pricing works if we aren’t competing for profits. In your simplistic unicorn and sunshine world, you might not see the direct correlation, but it does exist.

    Health care is a huge industry.

    I’ll list a few players, and you get to tell me which ones are free to compete, and which ones are indentured to the state.

    inventors
    nurses
    dr’s
    insurance companies
    scientists
    midwives
    government
    Inventors will still invent. Having a univerisal payer for health care wouldn't change that at all.

    Nurses still will get a pay check, probably as limited as they are now (little growth in nursing salaries).
    Dr's will still get paid (hence payer) and make a good living.

    Insurance companies would be focused on wealtheir buyers, and would not have to worry about those who likely don't use them now anyway. No mandates. No reason to make everyone buy their service.

    Scientist would still be scientists. Nothing changes.

    Same with Midwives.

    No one is indentured to the state. That too is a misrepresentation. Doctors are not indentured in Canada or in the UK or even in France. Nor are nurse, or inventors or scientist or midwives or anyone else. Your premise is false.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think you are badly misreading what I'm saying. I am perplexed as to how or why.

    I’m perplexed what you think people are competing for?

    Do we compete to work long hours for nothing?

    Do we compete for who can have the most stress?

    Do we compete for the least about of free time?

    Profit is what we compete for. It’s ridiculously simple. The problem is you are so close minded about your class warfare views that you are simply refusing to allow these facts into your consciousness.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I’m perplexed what you think people are competing for?

    Do we compete to work long hours for nothing?

    Do we compete for who can have the most stress?

    Do we compete for the least about of free time?

    Profit is what we compete for. It’s ridiculously simple. The problem is you are so close minded about your class warfare views that you are simply refusing to allow these facts into your consciousness.
    We copmpete for all kinds of reasons. I largely compete with myself. Other than having enough to eat and live, I rarely consider profit. Some are actually passionate about something. Some would do a job if no one paid them. It's a msitake on your part to think there is only one thing we seek.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We copmpete for all kinds of reasons. I largely compete with myself. Other than having enough to eat and live, I rarely consider profit. Some are actually passionate about something. Some would do a job if no one paid them. It's a msitake on your part to think there is only one thing we seek.
    until you start being honest with yourself, their is no hope.

    you didn't price barbies because you were in a competition with yourself.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    doctors increasingly refuse to treat patients on medicare

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/bu.../02health.html

    PHYSICIANS REFUSE MEDICARE PATIENTS - New York Times

    darn that reality, again

    it keeps getting in the way of all these pretty wishes

    LOL!

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    until you start being honest with yourself, their is no hope.

    you didn't price barbies because you were in a competition with yourself.
    No, I didn't. But I didn't do it for competition either. I was not competing with anyone. I was shocked anyone would by these things at all, let alone pay whatthey were paying.

    However, you skip the point. What motivates us differs from person to person. It is inaccurate to say only profit and competition for profit motives us.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Just curious why so many Canadians are willing to cross into the States and pay out of their own pockets for treatment?
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Just curious why so many Canadians are willing to cross into the States and pay out of their own pockets for treatment?
    So many? How many? And if you look at polls, most wouldn't trade their system for ours. Same around the world. We are actually less satisfied then canada and other countries are with their system.

    One-fourth of American respondents are either "very" or "somewhat" satisfied with "the availability of affordable healthcare in the nation," (6% very satisfied and 19% somewhat satisfied). This level of satisfaction is significantly lower than in Canada, where 57% are satisfied with the availability of affordable healthcare, including 16% who are very satisfied. Roughly 4 in 10 Britons are satisfied (43%), but only 7% say they are very satisfied (similar to the percentage very satisfied in the United States).

    Looking at the other side of the coin, 44% of Americans are very dissatisfied with the availability of affordable healthcare, and nearly three-fourths (72%) are either somewhat or very dissatisfied. The 44% in the United States who are very dissatisfied with healthcare availability is significantly higher than corresponding figures in either Canada (17%) or Great Britain (25%).


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    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So many? How many? And if you look at polls, most wouldn't trade their system for ours. Same around the world. We are actually less satisfied then canada and other countries are with their system.
    If the only people that had to pay taxes are the ones that had a last name that began with Z, most people would want to keep that system.

    your replies are increasingly pathetic and easy to counter.

    sophomoric economics.

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