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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No President since 1938 lost as many seats as Obama thus making this election historic and that is context. Not worried about a decent candidate in 2012 as Obama got elected with the worst resume in U.S. history.

    For some reason it is always a question of context when anyone posts actual data. The actual data IS context.
    How much money I made at work:

    Monday: $1501.51
    Tuesday: $1452.67
    Wednesday: $1891.32
    Thursday: $500.89
    Friday: $300.23

    Conservatives answer to this: Jet! You're obviously not working hard enough. I mean look at these numbers, that's it, you're fired!

    Context Required:

    Monday: 1000 Customers
    Tuesday: 950 Customers
    Wednesday: 1200 Customers
    Thursday: 300 Customers
    Friday: 200 Customers

    Jesus ****ing christ. Glad I don't live in your universe or we'd all be fired.
    Last edited by Jetboogieman; 11-04-10 at 10:28 AM.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    FDR was re-elected in 1940. Presidents Truman and Clinton also survived mid-term electoral routs. The 2010 election outcome will probably have little bearing on the outcome of the 2012 Presidential election if history is a guide. Factors such as the state of the economy, how Republicans govern (e.g., did they follow through on their key campaign commitments), whether one side or the other overreaches, who will be the Republican nominee, etc., will have a larger bearing.
    True, but I am waiting for anyone to tell me what Obama has done that is going to make things better that will create the conditions for a re-election. Name for me one economic prediction Obama has made that has been accurate?

    There is no way that you can add 3 trillion dollar to the debt, generate an addition 4 million unemployed and point to that as a success. Obama is a leftwing ideologue that lacks the basic leadership skills and political common sense to react to Tuesday's elections, i.e. the 200 million dollar a day trip to India.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    How much money I made at work:

    Monday: $1501.51
    Tuesday: $1452.67
    Wednesday: $1891.32
    Thursday: $500.89
    Friday: $300.23

    Conservatives answer to this: Jet! You're obviously not working hard enough. I mean look at these numbers, that's it, you're fired!

    Context Required:

    Monday: 1000 Customers
    Tuesday: 950 Customers
    Wednesday: 1200 Customers
    Thursday: 300 Customers
    Friday: 200 Customers

    Jesus ****ing christ. Glad I don't live in your universe or we'd all be fired.
    I am surprised that you had 200 customers on Friday. I haven't seen anything from you that would cause anyone to buy from you.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I am surprised that you had 200 customers on Friday. I haven't seen anything from you that would cause anyone to buy from you.
    It was a ****ing example.

    /facepalm

    Now what makes you say the underlined? I work at a movie theatre.

    Secondary Context: We've opened no new movies in 2 weeks. on average, I'd do about 2 grand on a good day. Yesterday I did 700 at most.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    They dont do better because they are in private schools, they do better because they just do?
    I wouldn't say it that way, but yes. Don't underestimate the role the student and family play in this equation. Like any situation, those who have the most help, the better struture, the better situation. I'm not saying that all poor fail, but everyone needs something that helps keep them on track, that makes it more likely that they can succeed. And those students like those in private schools who stay in public school do just as well as their private school counterparts.

    What is really being said is that many are misreading why private schools look better. You have to actually look to see why.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ah, the Clinton model....Obama is no Clinton.


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    Reagan as well.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I am surprised that you had 200 customers on Friday. I haven't seen anything from you that would cause anyone to buy from you.
    Unless he's selling bubble gum, with average sales of about $1.50 per customer, I'd fire his ass too!

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    It was a ****ing example.

    /facepalm

    Now what makes you say the underlined? I work at a movie theatre.

    Secondary Context: We've opened no new movies in 2 weeks. on average, I'd do about 2 grand on a good day. Yesterday I did 700 at most.
    And my response was a joke. Tell me do people spend more or less money when taxes are higher? How about unemployed people, how much discretionary spending do they have? What economic policy has Obama put into place that has helped the private sector? Think that Obamacare promotes hiring? Think the Obama spending has provided incentive for business to hire? I suggest Obama supporters think instead of feeling when it comes to the Obama agenda. the American people spoke on Tuesday night and check out the election maps, a wave of Red across flyover country should speak volumes but Obama supporters remain in denial, just like Obama.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Reagan as well.
    Obama doesn't have the political instincts of either Clinton or Reagan, i.e. his 200 million dollar a day trip to India, nor does he have the economic policy of either. Reagan's was pro growth, pro business, and pro American taxpayer, Clinton's was adopting the GOP Contract with America, and Obama's is payback to his contituent groups. Obama if he doesn't do something to promote the private sector will be fired in 2012

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    True, but I am waiting for anyone to tell me what Obama has done that is going to make things better that will create the conditions for a re-election.
    Two years is ample time to add to or build a successful policy framework and develop a reasonably convincing political rationale. I don't believe one can pre-ordain the outcome of the next election. A strong reminder in that direction are the predictions of permanent re-alignment that have risen time and again in the euphoria of a major electoral triumph. More often than not, those predictions have failed. Temporary shifts in the votes of independent swing voters have mainly accounted for the outcome and those voters are not mainly aligned with one major party or the other.

    Name for me one economic prediction Obama has made that has been accurate?
    There's little doubt that he underestimated the severity of the recession. Indeed, if one goes back to some of the discussions in October 2008 at DP, one finds news articles where predictions were for an unemployment rate that would top out in the 7%-7.5% range.

    There is no way that you can add 3 trillion dollar to the debt, generate an addition 4 million unemployed and point to that as a success.
    The long-term fiscal challenges are an important challenge. Whether or not a credible path toward fiscal consolidation will be developed and put in place remains to be seen. Two bodies will be providing recommendations to contribute toward that outcome before the year is out. As a wild card, President Obama could well gamble and call on Congress to adopt the recommendations (almost certain to include some level of tax hikes; entitlement reforms are also possible, though not assured). If Congress retreats, he could well argue that Congress needs to offer an alternative that produces at least as much saving. The Ryan proposal might provide such an alternative, but would the House actually transform it into legislation and adopt it?

    Even the battle over the expiring tax cuts could create challenges and opportunities. If Republicans move to extend all of the tax cuts (a campaign commitment and one they need to keep to maintain credibility on that issue), will Republicans offer sufficient spending reductions/other revenue measures to offset the deficit impact (necessary to build credibility on the fiscal discipline commitment)?

    Obama is a leftwing ideologue that lacks the basic leadership skills and political common sense to react to Tuesday's elections, i.e. the 200 million dollar a day trip to India.
    To date, the demonstration of his leadership skills has fallen far short of what had been expected in the wake of his 2008 electoral triumph. One could have made a similar argument about President Clinton immediately following the 1994 election. Things can change. How he responds to the adversity of a substantial electoral setback will shed light on his actual leadership capacities.

    On the trip to India, I believe both the reported cost and number of persons involved is excessive in the context of such trips. It also offers the symbolism of a disconnect between the nation's fiscal situation and fiscal practices. If the trip cannot be achieved at much lower cost and with far fewer persons, then it should not be undertaken. Instead, the President should invite India's Prime Minister to the White House. But now that the White House has committed to the trip, that option doesn't exist. It needs to quickly find a way to address the excesses associated with the trip (costs and persons).
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