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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Health care and education.
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    how do we know what things should cost without two seeprate people competing for your business? what keeps them from just charging anything they want?
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    Didn't see it. How are prices ever set? equipment is marketed and competition only plays a small role. The orignial price is often set by cost a and a percentage of profit. This can eb done in a reasonable manner without competition.

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    This is easy.

    in a capitalistic society prices are set to maximize profits. If your operating expenses are too high, or you charge too much because you want even more profit, competition can come in with a lower price, thereby stealing your business. If you don't adjust, you go out of business.

    Explain how it works in a world where competition ceases to exist. how do prices get set and what pressure exists to push prices down?

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why should I pay for your police protection or your fire protection? We should privatize police departments, fire departments, do away with parks/libraries.
    Limited government != No Government or anarchy

    Why should I pay for you to go to a library to check out a book, when there is Barnes and Noble?
    Cost to benefit ratio. The cost of a library is miniscule compared to the benefit it does for learning and literacy for the country. Conversely the cost for universal health care, the only way you can make a legitimate comparison to libraries, would be substantial and far more difficult to argue that the benfeit far outweighs the cost.

    If you're attempting to spend money at your home responsably that doesn't mean you can't do any leisure activities with your money anymore. It means you use LESS money for it though and try to get the most leisuer out of the least amount of money. If its your anniversary and you want to go out to eat instead of going to the 5 star luxury steak house you go to the 2 star local place that has a special going on. In both cases you get to go out, not have to bother cooking, and get a meal with just the two of you...but one is getting you a lot more of that compared to the amount you're paying.

    Similarly, if you're looking at things to get rid of in your budget you look for what's least needed first, and then from those you see what will save you the most money. Even if you think Libraries are as wrong of a governmental service as Health Care the cost of health care is FAR greater and thus makes more sense to cut first.

    Finally, I think you'd find that most conservatives would have no problem with Libraries being something funded primarily at a state, not federal, level. This allows states where the citizens want to focus their money they pay into those things can, but doesn't have the federal government meddling into things they should generally not be meddling in with regards to constitutionality.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    I've had a credit card payment credited to my account AFTER the due date, even though the company got the payment well ahead of the due date, and gotten dinged with a late fee. More than once. You seem hell bent on deflecting away from any talk about shoddy private business practices in order to avoid having to acknowledge their existence, and conservatives' opposition of reforms in those areas. You can yammer about the government all you want (and I have been known to do that), but right now you're just trying to change the subject.
    Did you call the credit card company to get the charge reversed? My bet is they did reverse the charge. Ever deal with a govt. bureaucrat and the mistakes they make? Shoddy business practices are always going to occur. You have a recourse against those business practices. Where does personal responsibility lie in your world. I have had late payments reversed because of credit card company errors so not sure what your problem is. Then there is always small claims court. I think you just love to complain.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You don't unless you live in TX. It does appear that like far too many you don't know what taxes fund what services. State and local taxes fund police and fire departments.
    I understand that...I was speaking in the abstract. Why should taxpayers have to pay for your police/fire protection or pay for your ability to go a library and check out a book. You want to read...go to Barnes and Noble. You want fire protection, buy a hose. You want police protection, there are plenty of private security businesses that would be happy to take your money for their services.
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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I haven't seen any proof of your rants but I have seen a lot of proof of the failures of the liberal agenda. You cannot legislate stupidity which is what you seem to want to do. No one forced anyone to take out a credit card and then spend too much. No one forces you to buy from merchants that you deem "sleazy." You seem to want a Federal Govt. to legislate personal responsibility. Our govt. cannot even legislatate fiscal responsibility.
    You must be turning a deaf ear to the legitimate complaints of consumers. The "liberal agenda" you are so eager to rant against is coming from the only people who have made any effort to reform certain shady business practices, despite conservative and corporate opposition to those reforms. I have already pointed out how I personally have been ripped off by some creative bookkeeping by a credit card holder at my expense; unfortunately, before the conservative-opposed reform laws got passed, practices such as those were so widespread as to make shopping around for a better deal (in terms of being treated right by the CC company) not a viable alternative. I was trying to be responsible (by paying my bill on time) and I got screwed anyways.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I understand that...I was speaking in the abstract. Why should taxpayers have to pay for your police/fire protection or pay for your ability to go a library and check out a book. You want to read...go to Barnes and Noble. You want fire protection, buy a hose. You want police protection, there are plenty of private security businesses that would be happy to take your money for their services.
    That is a local and state responsibility. If I don't like the taxes I pay in a community I can move to another community. Seems that again you are arguing about something you don't know about. I sincerely hope the party of "NO" tells your state to drop dead with their bailout request. We do love having businesses move from California to TX. They all bring tax revenue with them as well as a lot of consumer spending.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    We shall see, my bet is they do and further bet that Obama will use the veto pen. Hope he does as those vetos will be used to defeat him in 2012
    They didn't have to worry about Bush using the veto pen when they controlled all of Congress. So, how did they reduce the size of the government and the deficit during those years?

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    They didn't have to worry about Bush using the veto pen when they controlled all of Congress. So, how did they reduce the size of the government and the deficit during those years?
    Way to go, divert back to Bush and ignore that Obama has put Bush spending on steroids adding 3 trillion to the debt. You must be so proud!

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    That's why you used anecdote to support the idea, I guess.
    Silly me, I thought it was common knowledge that these practices were going on. They passed a friggin' law to outlaw it. Wonder why they did that if there was no problem to begin with? [/sarcasm]

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    You must be turning a deaf ear to the legitimate complaints of consumers. The "liberal agenda" you are so eager to rant against is coming from the only people who have made any effort to reform certain shady business practices, despite conservative and corporate opposition to those reforms. I have already pointed out how I personally have been ripped off by some creative bookkeeping by a credit card holder at my expense; unfortunately, before the conservative-opposed reform laws got passed, practices such as those were so widespread as to make shopping around for a better deal (in terms of being treated right by the CC company) not a viable alternative. I was trying to be responsible (by paying my bill on time) and I got screwed anyways.
    I spent 35 years in the business community dealing with the consumer. I understand that my business required customers and if I didn't treat them well I wouldn't have them and would go out of business by losing business. You seem to lack an understanding about customer service and requirements. I haven't seen any evidence that you weren't taken care for that shoddy business practice as you apparently prefer the govt. taking on your personal responsibilities.

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