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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

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    Here is why Democrats in the Senate will compromise with Republicans in 2012

    United States Senate elections, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The elections last night sent the message and the "RED" States last night with Democrat Senators took note.
    Yup, I was looking at that last night... of the seats up for grabs, 70% are owned by Democrats or left-leaning independents.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

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    What law? Where in the Constitution is marriage defined? Looks to me like the people are tired of activist judges. Hope others states do the same thing
    Have you read the rulings? Seriously? The point to law, and don't just say we like it so it's OK. Instead, they looked at equal protection under the law:


    "This class of people asks a simple and direct question: How can a state premised on the constitutional principle of equal protection justify exclusion of a class of Iowans from civil marriage?" Justice Mark S. Cady asked.

    Read more: The Meaning of Iowa's Gay-Marriage Decision - TIME

    Read the full decision:

    http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...3iowa-text.pdf

    Like many, who don't understand law, you merely say antything that does't fit your view is activist. the judges, as they have around the country, merely looked at law, heard arguments and ruled according to law. Often our words in a law mean more than we think they do. It's one of the elements of language that many don't understand.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Have you read the rulings? Seriously? The point to law, and don't just say we like it so it's OK. Instead, they looked at equal protection under the law:


    "This class of people asks a simple and direct question: How can a state premised on the constitutional principle of equal protection justify exclusion of a class of Iowans from civil marriage?" Justice Mark S. Cady asked.

    Read more: The Meaning of Iowa's Gay-Marriage Decision - TIME

    Read the full decision:

    http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...3iowa-text.pdf

    Like many, who don't understand law, you merely say antything that does't fit your view is activist. the judges, as they have around the country, merely looked at law, heard arguments and ruled according to law. Often our words in a law mean more than we think they do. It's one of the elements of language that many don't understand.
    I have read and read the Constitution and no where do I find marriage or sexual orientation and do not see where equal protection laws were violated but according to liberals the Constitution is a living breathing document that can be interpreted any way someone wants. I reject that. If it isn't in the Constitution then it isn't protect by the equal protection laws but that doesn't prevent legislators from trying to do that. Let's see that happen?

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I have read and read the Constitution and no where do I find marriage or sexual orientation and do not see where equal protection laws were violated but according to liberals the Constitution is a living breathing document that can be interpreted any way someone wants. I reject that. If it isn't in the Constitution then it isn't protect by the equal protection laws but that doesn't prevent legislators from trying to do that. Let's see that happen?
    You're missing the point, and showing a little ignorance if I may say so. It does not have to mention marriage or sexual orintation. It does meantion equal protection, and that is the law they are pointing to. It is a leagal argument based on law. Some disagree with their reading of the law, but it is a reading of the law. Not activism.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're missing the point, and showing a little ignorance if I may say so. It does not have to mention marriage or sexual orintation. It does meantion equal protection, and that is the law they are pointing to. It is a leagal argument based on law. Some disagree with their reading of the law, but it is a reading of the law. Not activism.
    There can be no equal protection for participation in the institution of marriage. Marriage isn't a civil right nor a requirement in this country. I don't have the right to marry someone of the same sex either.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I have read and read the Constitution and no where do I find marriage or sexual orientation and do not see where equal protection laws were violated but according to liberals the Constitution is a living breathing document that can be interpreted any way someone wants. I reject that. If it isn't in the Constitution then it isn't protect by the equal protection laws but that doesn't prevent legislators from trying to do that. Let's see that happen?
    Actually you better leave well enough alone. You are going to force the American people to support a Constitutional Amendment that will pass defining Marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Then what do you do?

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

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    Having health care is a huge burden. Better to simply not be treated when you need help. Ss and Medicare are simply too much trouble and we need to make sure there is no safety net at all. Human suffering is a priviledge. And we sure as hell dion't need roads built or fixed by government. Pot holes are fun. We don't need snow plouges or animal disposal or the health department or anything at all. Let the strong survive and the weak die. Fair enough.
    Having healthcare wouldn't be such a huge burden if there weren't so many regulations around the health care industry, and companies weren't giving out company healthcare policies, and our income wan't being tax'd and we got to keep more of our money....people wouldn't be dying of treatable desieses if they learned how to save up money to pay for things when emergencies instead of relying on credit cards to mortgage their lives. As much as I want everyone to get the help they need...and believe me I do....I don't want people's help to come at my forced expense. Nobody should have a right to my life except for me, even if they are dying. If i didn't cause that person's life, then it shoudn't be my responsibility, unless I choose for it to be.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Actually you better leave well enough alone. You are going to force the American people to support a Constitutional Amendment that will pass defining Marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Then what do you do?
    Does it ever occur to Republicans that populism is a bad idea, and non-republican?

    Anyway, bullying the judicial branch is one thing. Constitutional amendments are another.
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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

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    Actually you better leave well enough alone. You are going to force the American people to support a Constitutional Amendment that will pass defining Marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Then what do you do?
    I doubt they could ever get such an admendment passed. The requirement to do so is too dififcult. But, judges have to adhere to the law, and that is how it should be. having them answer to political whims is a bad idea.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

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    Health care and education.
    competition in education is bad when charter schools and private schools beat the crap out of the public school system hands down....health care shouldn't have competition when this system has lead to the most advanced and best healthcare you can get IN THE WORLD.....but competition is bad....i just don't see it.

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