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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Just curious here, did you think similarly in 2006 when I believe it was time magazine was suggesting that Republicans were an endangered species and that the election was a referendum on the War and was a repudiation of the Republicans way of doing things?

    Cause this is arguably a larger result than what happened in 2006 or at least on par with it, and unlike 2006 the Republicans were picking up seats with solid conservatives (some of which knocked out moderate conservatives in primaries) where as many of the 2006 gains were from "blue dog" democrats that were moderates who ran conservative on some issues during the campaign? I think it'd be hard to say that people stating that back in 2006 was legitimate but suggesting this wasn't a repudiation of at least a certain degree of Obama's agenda.
    I was being sarcastic #1.

    #2. I didn't see it that way in 2006, and I don't see it that way now. All I see is the American people swinging the pendulum one way or the other whenever they have a temper tantrum with the party in power.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I was being sarcastic #1.

    #2. I didn't see it that way in 2006, and I don't see it that way now. All I see is the American people swinging the pendulum one way or the other whenever they have a temper tantrum with the party in power.
    I don't see it so much as a temper tantrum, but more of a results oriented pragmatic streak. Democrats were unable to fix the economy (and why does not matter), so they turned to the republicans.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I don't see it so much as a temper tantrum, but more of a results oriented pragmatic streak. Democrats were unable to fix the economy (and why does not matter), so they turned to the republicans.
    And when the Republicans fail to fix the economically, they'll turn to the democrats etc.

    I get the picture.

    But here's a pretty good question. What exactly does fixing the economy mean?

    Building it back up on a bubble again. The thing that made America wealthier then its wildest dreams, and gave it the purchasing power of the stars. Was Equity and fake money. From the individual to the government. Credit has carried the western world in general far. But is that really what we wanna keep doing?

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    does everyone want to forget all the anti-war rhetoric that swept Obama into office?

    People were convinced this administration would have a different view of foreign policy, but they learned they were duped.

    All the fake front organizations that were so opposed to the wars went silent, but the base had no reason to be excited and vote.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    does everyone want to forget all the anti-war rhetoric that swept Obama into office?

    People were convinced this administration would have a different view of foreign policy, but they learned they were duped.

    All the fake front organizations that were so opposed to the wars went silent, but the base had no reason to be excited and vote.
    I don't believe they were duped. Politicians go with what the people want, and it seems most did not want a pull out fiasco like Vietnam. The far left liberals were the only ones that wanted an immediate pullout. Obama is not a liberal contrary to what we were told by the right during the election.
    Last edited by EnigmaO01; 11-03-10 at 10:48 AM.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    And when the Republicans fail to fix the economically, they'll turn to the democrats etc.

    I get the picture.

    But here's a pretty good question. What exactly does fixing the economy mean?

    Building it back up on a bubble again. The thing that made America wealthier then its wildest dreams, and gave it the purchasing power of the stars. Was Equity and fake money. From the individual to the government. Credit has carried the western world in general far. But is that really what we wanna keep doing?
    And from what I can see Wall Street and the banks including CC companies are back to their old tricks. So it may just be a matter of time.
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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Last night was the worst-case scenario for Democrats. Here's why:

    1. Dems maintained the Senate and Harry Reid. The House can now run the people's wishes up the flagpole again and again, and Reid and Obama will have to now be the "Party of No", which is the only political position Dems have taken recently against Republicans. As much as we'd love to see Reid gone in shame (his son got throttled), he is still the face of why last night went so horribly wrong for his party. Republicans have a firm hold on the filibuster, and need merely wait on another election cycle to take over the Senate completely.

    2. Governors's can begin the process of re-districing key swing states back to the way it was during the Reagan years. Did you see what happened in Pennsylvania? The Governor, five House seats, and a senator's spot all go Republican? Absolutely unfathomable, given the Democrat-friendly districting lines there. That was really the story of the night because Dems will have huge problems for years to come now that their years of gerrymandering can be undone.

    3. The industrial belt - Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, Missouri, etc - all went red last night. That critical portion of the country just gave the finger to Obama bigtime.

    4. All that remains of the Democrats is the far, far left, much like most of what remains of Republicans are ultra conservatives. In that ideological battle, the Republicans will win. The one exception was in West Virginia, where Dems retained a Senate seat, but the guy will vote against Obama on virtually everything. Democrat in name only.

    5. Even in liberal strongholds, people like Murray in Washington had difficult times retaining seats that used to be an afterthought.

    The message was loud and clear last night, and now it's up to Obama to either be pragmatic like Clinton and admit defeat - "the era of big government is over" - or go even harder and more divisively to the left than he already is.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The message was loud and clear last night, and now it's up to Obama to either be pragmatic like Clinton and admit defeat - "the era of big government is over" - or go even harder and more divisively to the left than he already is.
    This more or less most likely wishful thinking.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I don't see it so much as a temper tantrum, but more of a results oriented pragmatic streak. Democrats were unable to fix the economy (and why does not matter), so they turned to the republicans.
    I'm confused... many liberals whined repeatedly about the economy tanking was Bush's fault... the 'why' mattered to them then.

    But now that the Democrats have been unable to fix the economy & the voters kicked them out of the House, the 'why' no longer matters?

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Reason has a good summary of last night





    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The message was loud and clear last night, and now it's up to Obama to either be pragmatic like Clinton and admit defeat - "the era of big government is over" - or go even harder and more divisively to the left than he already is.
    Ill believe it when I see it and my paycheck reflects it.
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