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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think those that are voting in the Republicans in the house right now wants their people to find the common ground with Obama on things they can, but doesn't want them to just go along with the President with token compromises or compromise on principles that were the BASIS for their vote just for the sake of compromise.

    If they "compromise" and do another stimulus, that's not what people are saying with this vote imho. If they "compromise" and keep the health care bill in place that's not what these people are saying with this vote imho. If they "compromise" and do away with the Bush Tax cuts right now that's not what these votes are saying right now. If they "compromise" and enact Cap and Trade that's a bit more hampered than Obama would like that is not what the people voting them in want. If they "compromise" and give amnesty to illegals before showing legitimate and long lasting securing and enforcement of immigration laws that's not what these people are saying with this vote.

    Do they want this congress to work with the president? Yes. They want them to work with them to get things passed that they are saying they want in regards to the things that these republicans campaign on, but on things they campaigned AGAINST they want them to work against those things not "compromise" to make those things happen.

    I agree, Republicans need to come into this saying they want to work together...the tone to take with this though is wanting to "work together" to fix the things the public is upset with by removing them/stopping them and starting anew, and to "work together" to implement the things that the two can find common ground on.

    If they go in and "compromise" by not trying to remove this health care plan, allowing a watered down cap and trade to be passed, allow a path to citizenship without tangible security and enforcement happening, compromise in more stimulus type spending, compromise in raising taxes or letting tax cuts go away then they're going to be "compromised" out of office come the next primaries.
    There are issues where Obama has signaled his willingness to work with Republicans on issues that they have traditionally cared about. Free trade, education reform, tax cuts for the middle class, etc. Boehner's speech made me skeptical if they'll actually work with him though...or if they'll either A) move the goal posts a bridge too far to get Democratic support, or B) disavow their previously-held positions since they're now being proposed by a Democratic president.

    As for the issues that you mentioned: I think it's important that Republicans recognize how much leverage they actually have. Repealing health care reform and/or extending all of the Bush tax cuts is flat-out not going to happen. Obama doesn't NEED to compromise at all; he already got his way, and if Congress takes no action, the status quo is the Democratic position. At most, the Republicans might be able to work with the Democrats to change the laws in ways that are mutually agreeable to all of them.

    As for the other two issues you mentioned. Cap-and-trade was already dead on arrival, so I doubt it's on the agenda at all. For that matter, neither is immigration reform...at least not as a serious policy change (although the Dems might introduce it as a wedge issue knowing that it will lose).
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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    who called it for Toomey? CBS website still hasn't.
    Fox News did

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Not bitter just stating the facts. If you rest on your laurels in politics you're only fooling yourself. There's a lot of work to be done and i doubt the GOP is up to it. Boehner's arrogant dispostion will get the republicans nowhere.
    agreed...now he has to lead, and cant sit back and just pisss, beyatch, and moan....big change for him, and i doubt he is up to it.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    everything is up for grabs for 2012 at this point
    A lot can happen in two years.


    Meh, it looks like the Republicans take the House and Democrats keep the Senate. And now with the GOP even further to the right, it is less likely that anything will get done in Congress.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    House:

    R - 208
    D - 144

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    A lot can happen in two years.


    Meh, it looks like the Republicans take the House and Democrats keep the Senate. And now with the GOP even further to the right, it is less likely that anything will get done in Congress.
    Not unless Democrats are willing to compromise. I think the compromise between the Republicans and Democrats during Clinton's presidency was a good thing.
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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Mixed news for me. Where Republicans gained in our state, I was both pleased and unpleased. We removed a Representative that has served the state's demographics well, is influential, contributed to the fantastic situation our state is in in comparison with the rest of the nation, and yet was rejected. We replace this influential individual with a new man, who may be at odds with a significant demographic of our state, and no long-lasting connections. Part of it was certainly the fact that he was a Democrat, which is short-sighted, but not unsurprising.
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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    OK, folks, time for me to go to bed. Will ask the other mods to update the OP if they can, else I will get it caught up tomorrow and unsticky it.

    Thanks for a great discussion, very pleasant night except for the results.
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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Well, it's been fun but I've got to work early tomorrow.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    agreed...now he has to lead, and cant sit back and just pisss, beyatch, and moan....big change for him, and i doubt he is up to it.
    And he might have to actually work instead of spending all his time on the golf course sipping mixed drinks.

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