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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

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    Socialists want a single payer system where it is the government making those payments. Socialists have no problem with raising taxes and redistributing wealth. Socialists believe it is the Federal Government's responsibility to take care of state and local personal social issues. Yes, Boo, you are a socialist but for some reason refuse to admit it.
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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Look at the date of the article...
    we've already gone over this, you're twenty pages behind

    nyt, 1992: PHYSICIANS REFUSE MEDICARE PATIENTS - New York Times

    nyt, april 1, 2009: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/bu...alth.html?_r=1

    you'd think the prez woulda read at least one of em

    LOL!

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    "Government and cooperation are the laws of life. Anarchy and competition are the laws of death." John Ruskin

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    Wake up, we have a 3.8 TRILLION Dollar govt. today a complete overreach that has convinced you it is their role to protect you from poor choices that you make. They have convinced you that tax cuts are an expense to the Federal Govt. and that the Federal Govt. needs the money more than you. They have convinced you that private business is bad and liberal govt is good. The American people spoke on Tuesday night, 682 state legislature positions and 65 House seats went to the GOP. The will of the people is to stop this massive spending and revisionist history. I really worry about people like you that buy that rhetoric from the liberals.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wake up, we have a 3.8 TRILLION Dollar govt.
    That's because both Dems and Reps let everything get out of hand over the years. Medical costs, CEO bonuses, Pro ball players and movie stars wages, and abandonment of all rules and regulations, to name a few.

    Back in the forties emergency rooms were $40, nowadays the same kind of stitches I had back then is $960. Hospital rooms were only $20, and my hernia operation $60. CEOs bonuses were limited to 8 times what employees earned.

    In the middle 60s NASA limited all pay checks, including CEOs, to $25,000 a year.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    That's because both Dems and Reps let everything get out of hand over the years. Medical costs, CEO bonuses, Pro ball players and movie stars wages, and abandonment of all rules and regulations, to name a few.

    Back in the forties emergency rooms were $40, nowadays the same kind of stitches I had back then is $960. Hospital rooms were only $20, and my hernia operation $60. CEOs bonuses were limited to 8 times what employees earned.

    In the middle 60s NASA limited all pay checks, including CEOs, to $25,000 a year.

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    Medical cost increass cost the states more than the Federal Govt. CEO bonuses are taxable and thus add revenue to the govt. Pro Ball players, movie stars pay taxes on their income, the higher their income the higher their taxes

    Emergency room services affect state budgets not the Federal budget. sounds to me like you really need to do some better research. Go the the U.S. Treasury site and see what items make up that 3.8 trillion dollar budget.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    Most liberals don't understand competition and what adding 30 million to the roles of the insured will do to costs, demand, and quality of healthcare nor do they care. Their ultimate goal is a single payer program just like Medicare and to get there they have to drive out the private sector which they will do.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the absurdity is literally endless



    obama promised to pay for his trillion dollar health care expansion with savings secured thru decreased traffic thru er's

    he, like so many others, has that too exactly backwards

    ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

    read why



    what were you saying about er's, again?

    LOL!
    What did Obama do to increase the traffic? And who is paying for that traffic? Again, linking mindlessly without any knowledge of the problem is stupid. Those who use the er and have a payer, pay. More expensive, yes, but they pay. Those who use the er with no payer, ususally don't pay. That means the hospitial has to riase their costs, whihc means payers, insurance companies, have to increase their rates, and we all pay.

    I realize that doesn't help your narrative, but then again, thinking thinks through seldom does.

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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What did Obama do to increase the traffic?
    LOL!

    the direct answer to your kneejerk question, transparent product of 60 seconds "thought," is contained in the LINK you so unseriously disparage

    meanwhile...

    ugly: Nancy Pelosi bid pits Steny Hoyer vs. James Clyburn - John Bresnahan and Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com

    beautiful: Republicans jubilant over Pelosi decision - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

    predictable: The job that no Democrat wants - John Bresnahan and Manu Raju - POLITICO.com

    who's gonna be dscc?

    the landscape heading into the 2012 senate races could not look worse for the party of pelosi

    jon tester of MONTANA, ben nelson of NEBRASKA and budget chair KENT CONRAD, co author of obamacare, in NORTH DAKOTA are UP

    worry

    combat boots webb in VIRGINIA (where republicans currently hold TWELVE of the THIRTEEN congressional districts, and that unlucky 13th is gerald connolly in fairfax, north virginia, dc suburbs, who is heading into a RECOUNT)

    bob casey in PA, where knuckle dragging neanderthals just stole BOTH state houses and FIVE congressional seats, as well as GUB and SENATOR TOOMEY (a teapartier in pa!)

    bill nelson in FLORIDA, where MY SIDE dominates tallahassee (we just achieved a filibuster proof majority) and RUBIO raced by TWENTY and suzanne kosmas, ron klein, alan boyd and ALAN GRAYSON (by EIGHTEEN points) were all REPEALED and REPLACED

    sherrod brown in OHIO, where the gop controls the captitol---gub and both houses (heading into reapportionment, giving us huge advantages in the 2012 house race)---and steve driehaus, charlie wilson, mary joe kilroy, zack space and john boccierri were boorishly BOOTED

    claire mccaskill in show me MISSOURI, where roy blunt beat rubberstamp carnahan by THIRTEEN (unheard of in this most belllwether bailiwick in the union), 17 term armed services chair IKE SKELTON was skeedaddled, both houses in jefferson city are DARK RED

    debbie stabenow in MICHIGAN, where rick snyder just took lansing by EIGHTEEN, republicans just took the state senate (the house was already ours) and mark schauer's and bart stupak's house seats were also pilfered

    herb kohl in WISONSIN where we just captured BOTH state assemblies, the gub, russ feingold's senate seat, 2 H's (including ornery david obey's)...

    maria cantwell in washington, jeff bingaman in new mexico (did you catch the contest for albequerque), amy klobuchar in minnesota (both north star state assemblies are newly red, 18 term transportation chair jim oberstar is OUT)

    by mature accouting, needing FOUR senate seats to steal upstairs, republicans are looking at 3 likely republicans, 6 lean republicans, and 3 tossups, all currently blue

    and what if 79 year old difi in my home CA quits?

    JOE MANCHIN's reupped in 2012, did you see him put his BULLET thru cap and trade?

    how do you think JOE MANCHIN, who ran as far away from barack hussein as even a republican can, is gonna behave in the interrum?

    my side, in contrast, has only 9 senators facing reelection in 2012, all safe except SCOTT BROWN, jersey #41, in chappaquiddick teddy's vineyard

    this is not spin, it's the true lay of the land (read politico, read elsewhere)

    no wonder no one wants to be dscc in 2011

    reds control reapportionment, worth about 20 house seats (all else being equal)

    expect, if history serves, another two dozen or so dem retirements, creating openings my side can exploit as eagerly as we grabbed brian baird's WA3, brad ellsworth's IN8, david obey's WI7, marion berry's and vic snyders ARK's 1 and 2, john tanner's and bart gordon's TN's 6 and 8, eric massa's NY29, admiral sestak's PA7, bart stupak's MI1...

    for the twenty twelve PRESIDENTIAL, red states (texas, florida, arizona, georgia, south carolina, utah) have been awarded TEN brand new electoral votes due to population growth measured in the 2010 census

    blue states, meanwhile (new york, illinois, massachusetts, new jersey, michigan, which backed obama last time) simultaneously LOSE a half dozen

    that's a net SIXTEEN point electoral edge for the party of palin

    and, of course, we can always expect the usual handful of party switchers that follow every wave election

    after all, blue dogs really AREN'T welcome in nancy's caucus, nor are pro lifers

    it is what it is, most excellently

    party on, pals
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    Re: 2010 Midterm Results Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    That's because both Dems and Reps let everything get out of hand over the years. Medical costs, CEO bonuses, Pro ball players and movie stars wages, and abandonment of all rules and regulations, to name a few.

    Back in the forties emergency rooms were $40, nowadays the same kind of stitches I had back then is $960. Hospital rooms were only $20, and my hernia operation $60. CEOs bonuses were limited to 8 times what employees earned.

    In the middle 60s NASA limited all pay checks, including CEOs, to $25,000 a year.

    ricksfolly
    Well baseball, CEO's, Movie Stars... is due to the market.
    CEO Bonuses... the market. HSBC is looking at leaving London because they cannot attract the best quality staff due to government intervention in payments and bonuses.


    Healthcare is due to government intervention... they always end up screwing those they seek to assist. Milton Friedman explains the disaster in a few short words.

    LA: Is there an area here in the United States in which we have not been as aggressive as we should in promoting property rights and free markets?

    MF: Yes, in the field of medical care. We have a socialist-communist system of distributing medical care. Instead of letting people hire their own physicians and pay them, no one pays his or her own medical bills. Instead, there's a third party payment system. It is a communist system and it has a communist result. Despite this, we've had numerous miracles in medical science. From the discovery of penicillin, to new surgical techniques, to MRIs and CAT scans, the last 30 or 40 years have been a period of miraculous change in medical science. On the other hand, we've seen costs skyrocket. Nobody is happy: physicians don't like it, patients don't like it. Why? Because none of them are responsible for themselves. You no longer have a situation in which a patient chooses a physician, receives a service, gets charged, and pays for it. There is no direct relation between the patient and the physician. The physician is an employee of an insurance company or an employee of the government. Today, a third party pays the bills. As a result, no one who visits the doctor asks what the charge is going to be—somebody else is going to take care of that. The end result is third party payment and, worst of all, third party treatment.

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