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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This is one of those things of recent years that both parties do that just will not stop anytime soon I fear. I honestly thinik that the 2000 election and the reactions to such a tight race had a LOT to do with it. Then you have 2004 with Bush having the most votes for a candidate in history at that point claiming a "mandate" with a small margin to win. Then you had Democrats in 2006 claiming a "mandate" for taking the congress during a year of low approval by either side for republicans and a ton of scandals, by using a bunch of blue dog Democrat candidates. You have the large Obama win made to look like a landslide, and an individual running as a moderate taking it as a mandate to push very left leaning ideas and policy. And now you'll have the Republicans doing it again.

    The one difference I will give the Republicans of 2010 compared to the Democrats of 2006 however is that if they do it they are doing it by making their intentions fully known in regards to being firmly entrenched in the right. In 2006 Democrats won their majority by going into Republican strong holds and winning victories by running moderate to even conservative leaning democrats, in some cases seemingly only breaking with their Republican competition on the War and a few more minor issues. In 2010 the Republicans are actually OUSTING the republican equivilent of those type of people in primaries and running staunchly right-leaning people who are clearly articulating what they stand for.

    While I don't think its going to necessarily mean a "mandate" that the country is decidingly and unquestionably all against Obama and all completely to the right, I do believe it sends a much more clear message of the views of the country with regards to political lean in general than 2006 due to the focuses of strategy found in both campaign years.
    I think the TP and many passionate Obama voters have much in common. I wish I had a name for that group of Obama supporters I'm referring to but its those who normally weren't political involved but were caught up in a passionate and hopeful message and turned out in huge numbers to vote. However most of them weren't politically savvy, didn't understand government, didn't really have much of a response other than "Hope."

    The TP is the exact same formula just with different numbers, instead of a passion for hope they have a passion for anger. They aren't politically savvy, they don't typically understand government, and they don't offer a solution any more detailed than bumper sticker logos.
    I think if the recession had not had happened, Bush still would have been extremely unpopular and Obama probably would have still won the election in no so part due to these extremely passionate supporters. Then there would have been a similar pull to the left from these individuals that the TP is doing to the right. However I think both movements were destined to short lives, especially after they actually elect their savior and especially to the Presidency. Just as Obama was unable to live up to everything many people expected from him, if Palin or some other TPer is elected to the Presidency she will also be able to live up to everything.

    I think its easy to say the Republicans can stand by what they believe in and don't have such a board base as the Dems, especially those Blue Dogs, because the Dem's policies are extremely unpopular. In 2006 and 2008 the Dems weren't as board as I think you are making them out to be. While you have the Blue Dogs, they tend to have liberal financial policies yet be social conservatives but since the majority of actions by Congress deal with fiscal policy they tend to vote as normal Democrats. And in 2006, 2008 we saw the Republicans split just like the Dems are doing now, they attempted to distance themselves from the President as much as they could. And now the Dems are in many cases attempting to distance themselves from the President.

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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I give credit to the GOP. Great job guys, you somehow managed to turn the Auto Bailouts, The Stimulus bill, and Health care reform all into terrible monstrosities used by the Left in order to create a socialist government. Nevermind that the Auto Bailouts and Stimulus bill were for the most part successes and saved/created millions of jobs. The verdict is still out on health care, I'm amazed so many disapprove before it has even taken effect...
    Nevermind that the bailouts (TARP) were all initiated and approved by GW Bush, that the funds taxpayers shelled out for these bailouts have pretty much been paid back nearly in full, and that even GW Bush himself saw health care reform as a necessary step to providing affordable health care to all (see his 2007 State of the Union Address) AND that the rising cost of SSN, Medicare and Medicaid were placing a significant strain on the national budget - the same concerns Obama has been trying to address.

    And, finally, to keep this economy strong we must take on the challenge of entitlements. Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid are commitments of conscience, and so it is our duty to keep them permanently sound. Yet, we're failing in that duty. And this failure will one day leave our children with three bad options: huge tax increases, huge deficits, or huge and immediate cuts in benefits. Everyone in this chamber knows this to be true -- yet somehow we have not found it in ourselves to act. So let us work together and do it now. With enough good sense and goodwill, you and I can fix Medicare and Medicaid -- and save Social Security.

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    A future of hope and opportunity requires that all our citizens have affordable and available health care. When it comes to health care, government has an obligation to care for the elderly, the disabled, and poor children. And we will meet those responsibilities. For all other Americans, private health insurance is the best way to meet their needs. But many Americans cannot afford a health insurance policy.

    And so tonight, I propose two new initiatives to help more Americans afford their own insurance. First, I propose a standard tax deduction for health insurance that will be like the standard tax deduction for dependents. Families with health insurance will pay no income on payroll tax -- or payroll taxes on $15,000 of their income. Single Americans with health insurance will pay no income or payroll taxes on $7,500 of their income. With this reform, more than 100 million men, women, and children who are now covered by employer-provided insurance will benefit from lower tax bills. At the same time, this reform will level the playing field for those who do not get health insurance through their job. For Americans who now purchase health insurance on their own, this proposal would mean a substantial tax savings -- $4,500 for a family of four making $60,000 a year. And for the millions of other Americans who have no health insurance at all, this deduction would help put a basic private health insurance plan within their reach. Changing the tax code is a vital and necessary step to making health care affordable for more Americans.

    My second proposal is to help the states that are coming up with innovative ways to cover the uninsured. States that make basic private health insurance available to all their citizens should receive federal funds to help them provide this coverage to the poor and the sick. I have asked the Secretary of Health and Human Services to work with Congress to take existing federal funds and use them to create "Affordable Choices" grants. These grants would give our nation's governors more money and more flexibility to get private health insurance to those most in need.

    There are many other ways that Congress can help. We need to expand Health Savings Accounts. We need to help small businesses through Association Health Plans. We need to reduce costs and medical errors with better information technology. We will encourage price transparency. And to protect good doctors from junk lawsuits, we passing medical liability reform. In all we do, we must remember that the best health care decisions are made not by government and insurance companies, but by patients and their doctors.
    GW Bush may not have gone about reforming health care in the same way Obama has, but I believe that had he not taken his focus off domestic issues, health care reform could have been his legacy instead of being remembered for the Iraq War. Even GW Bush's energy policy in some ways mirrors that of Obama's:

    Extending hope and opportunity depends on a stable supply of energy that keeps America's economy running and America's environment clean. For too long our nation has been dependent on foreign oil. And this dependence leaves us more vulnerable to hostile regimes, and to terrorists -- who could cause huge disruptions of oil shipments, and raise the price of oil, and do great harm to our economy.

    It's in our vital interest to diversify America's energy supply -- the way forward is through technology. We must continue changing the way America generates electric power, by even greater use of clean coal technology, solar and wind energy, and clean, safe nuclear power. We need to press on with battery research for plug-in and hybrid vehicles, and expand the use of clean diesel vehicles and biodiesel fuel. We must continue investing in new methods of producing ethanol -- using everything from wood chips to grasses, to agricultural wastes.

    We made a lot of progress, thanks to good policies here in Washington and the strong response of the market. And now even more dramatic advances are within reach. Tonight, I ask Congress to join me in pursuing a great goal. Let us build on the work we've done and reduce gasoline usage in the United States by 20 percent in the next 10 years. When we do that we will have cut our total imports by the equivalent of three-quarters of all the oil we now import from the Middle East.

    To reach this goal, we must increase the supply of alternative fuels, by setting a mandatory fuels standard to require 35 billion gallons of renewable and alternative fuels in 2017 -- and that is nearly five times the current target. At the same time, we need to reform and modernize fuel economy standards for cars the way we did for light trucks -- and conserve up to 8.5 billion more gallons of gasoline by 2017.

    Achieving these ambitious goals will dramatically reduce our dependence on foreign oil, but it's not going to eliminate it. And so as we continue to diversify our fuel supply, we must step up domestic oil production in environmentally sensitive ways. And to further protect America against severe disruptions to our oil supply, I ask Congress to double the current capacity of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

    America is on the verge of technological breakthroughs that will enable us to live our lives less dependent on oil. And these technologies will help us be better stewards of the environment, and they will help us to confront the serious challenge of global climate change.

    I'll be the first to state the obvious concerning the Democrats over the last 2-years: They've done a terrible job of controlling the narrative and informing the American people on the truths of these issues and setting the rhetoric straight. It's the primary reason they may very well lose Congress. I like many things they have accomplished; it's just sad they couldn't present the American people with a united message that clearly defined what they were doing and why it was necessary for the nation.
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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    This could be a great day for America but as good as it might turn out it will be only the end of the beginning, and the real battles will begin tomorrow.

    We have to redouble our efforts to kill off the Liberal Progressive movement dead once and for all and it will not be easy because Liberals will not change as they have shown n mater how wrong there ave benn shown to be at every turn.

    In stead of celebrating i suggest we all spend our time working on a plan of attack to repeal the Phony Health Plan, or if need be defund all implementation to save the economy.

    I would also suggest that there be no effort to impeach Obama right away unless an air tight case can be made and somehow include Biden at the same time, other wise we would go from a Socialist/Marxist bent on the destruction of America to Biden who is possibly the dumbest VP in History and that is saying something when you remember how stupid Dan Quayle is.

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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This could be a great day for America but as good as it might turn out it will be only the end of the beginning, and the real battles will begin tomorrow.

    We have to redouble our efforts to kill off the Liberal Progressive movement dead once and for all and it will not be easy because Liberals will not change as they have shown n mater how wrong there ave benn shown to be at every turn.

    In stead of celebrating i suggest we all spend our time working on a plan of attack to repeal the Phony Health Plan, or if need be defund all implementation to save the economy.

    I would also suggest that there be no effort to impeach Obama right away unless an air tight case can be made and somehow include Biden at the same time, other wise we would go from a Socialist/Marxist bent on the destruction of America to Biden who is possibly the dumbest VP in History and that is saying something when you remember how stupid Dan Quayle is.
    Right you go plan that, the rest of us will do something productive.

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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    What exactly would be the impeachable offense? What has he done that's unconstitutional/against the law or brought dishonor unto the office of the President of the United States? What offense has he committed against Congress? Because they are the ones who write the laws and give him the authority to do whatever it is he does. So, what law has he violated?
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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wishful thinking even for a Republican like you Navy.....the number will be closer to 40-45....smaller than in 94 but enough to give your Republican party the house. The Senate will remain Democrat.
    i am going to remind you of this later.

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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    For anyone interested here is a map according to Nate Silvers. House Races - Election 2010 - The New York Times

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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    What exactly would be the impeachable offense? What has he done that's unconstitutional/against the law or brought dishonor unto the office of the President of the United States? What offense has he committed against Congress? Because they are the ones who write the laws and give him the authority to do whatever it is he does. So, what law has he violated?
    He has a (D) next to his name. I can't really think of much else, since half of what he's done so far has been previously pitched in some way by Republicans.
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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This could be a great day for America but as good as it might turn out it will be only the end of the beginning, and the real battles will begin tomorrow.

    We have to redouble our efforts to kill off the Liberal Progressive movement dead once and for all and it will not be easy because Liberals will not change as they have shown n mater how wrong there ave benn shown to be at every turn.

    In stead of celebrating i suggest we all spend our time working on a plan of attack to repeal the Phony Health Plan, or if need be defund all implementation to save the economy.

    I would also suggest that there be no effort to impeach Obama right away unless an air tight case can be made and somehow include Biden at the same time, other wise we would go from a Socialist/Marxist bent on the destruction of America to Biden who is possibly the dumbest VP in History and that is saying something when you remember how stupid Dan Quayle is.
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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    60 seats is hardly "historic".
    Really, something we do every two years? Looks like one Democrat already left the country. I wonder if Alec Baldwin will follow suit.
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