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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Remember folks, the lesson to take from moderate blue dog democrats losing overwhelmingly to staunch conservative republicans is that the country is really moderate and centrist and that's how they want things done.

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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Remember folks, the lesson to take from miderate blue dog democrats losing overwhelmingly to staunch conservative republicans is that the country is really moderate and centrist and that's how they want things done.
    Okay. But you do realize that the independent who sided with you tonight sided with Dems just two years ago.

    You do have to please them or they will leave you right away (as they did in 2006 and 2008).

    The mandate is simply to get **** done and create jobs. Why would Republicans have a net negative favorability rating of 12 points (compared to Democrats 10 points) if they were so loved?

    If Repubicans make the mistakes of misreading the mandate (and I think they will), they'll see the independents turn on them the same way they just turned on Democrats.

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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm glad. But my "spin" is no different that the spin from the far right.....actually I would have to say I've even been more moderate. The reality is...the lesson that I hope the GOP doesn't learn is that America is a centrist country. As a far-left liberal I hate to admit that...and I hate having Blue Dogs and moderate Democrats, but I accept that this is the reality. If the GOP accepts your spin and believes that this is a mandate to move the country to the hard right....that can only be good for people like me because they will alienate the vast majority of the people in this country.
    Well, a U-Turn is in order, so the country MUST turn right, (Prefer) in order to negotiate the turn.. I hear the sound of rubber screaching as well.. The nation is a center right nation, and always has been pretty much. Places like Kalifornia, Vermont, CT, NY-City, all major metropolitan areas for that matter are left of center. If not for the urban strongholds, the likes of people that lean your way would never be an issue. If not for the union thuggary, illegal votes, and of course don't forget those popular Democrat sheeps, the colored folk, oh and lets not forget the American idol demographic; the Democratic party would have phased to oblivion decades ago. Well, that is, the democratic party of today, which, now without the blue dogs, resembels the nationlist socialist party of a particular fame..

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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

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    Okay. But you do realize that the independent who sided with you tonight sided with Dems just two years ago.

    You do have to please them or they will leave you right away (as they did in 2006 and 2008).

    The mandate is simply to get **** done and create jobs. Why would Republicans have a net negative favorability rating of 12 points (compared to Democrats 10 points) if they were so loved?

    If Repubicans make the mistakes of misreading the mandate (and I think they will), they'll see the independents turn on them the same way they just turned on Democrats.
    The moderates and bluedogs lost, leaving only the radicals on the left.
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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Okay. But you do realize that the independent who sided with you tonight sided with Dems just two years ago.
    Indeed, however the more accurate thing to look at would be 2006.

    You do have to please them or they will leave you right away (as they did in 2006 and 2008).
    Indeed. The issue is, just like in 2006, reading what it is will "please" them.

    The mandate is simply to get **** done and create jobs. Why would Republicans have a net negative favorability rating of 12 points (compared to Democrats 10 points) if they were so loved?
    Yes, and specifically to get **** done and create jobs in a conservative manner.

    If Repubicans make the mistakes of misreading the mandate (and I think they will), they'll see the independents turn on them the same way they just turned on Democrats.
    In 2006 the Democrats got swept into office with the focus being on Anti-War sentiment, and the secondary sentiment being against Republican and Bush policies in general. They did this by running moderate to conservative "blue dog" Democrats. After winning they misread the mandate and decided it meant support of universal health care, bailouts, stimulus, cap and trade, and other such things they've been trying to push.

    In 2010 Republicans got swept into congress by rejecting moderate and liberal republicans in exchange for conservative ones, and based on a message of fixing the deficit and economy with lowered spending, smaller government, and not raising taxes.

    Like the Democrats, if they misread what they were elected for they're going to be booted out. HOWEVER, what they got elected for is NOT the same reasons Democrats got elected in 2006, nor was it the same way. MODERATE democrats were elected in 2006 to give them their majority, primarily due to the war. In 2010 CONSERVATIVe republicans were elected to give them the majority, primarily due to economic and governmental issues.

    If the republicans over reach and think this was a referendum on conservatism as a whole and start pushing massive Defense and Social conservative issues as their focus then yes, they're doomed for misreading the message. Similarly however if republicans read this as the country wanting them to be "moderate" and to "compromise" to help the Democratic President pass what he wants then they're ALSO misreading the message.

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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Remember folks, the lesson to take from miderate blue dog democrats losing overwhelmingly to staunch conservative republicans is that the country is really moderate and centrist and that's how they want things done.
    Hahaha, good one. The libs will have to rebuild.

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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Actually, when you look at the statistics, the races that the tea party candidate won were for the most part in ultra-red districts where anyone with an (R) behind their name would have won, with few exceptions.....in competitive districts, the tea-party candidates lost across the board.
    Lets see the statistics. I want to know where these "ultra-red" districts that were controlled by Democrats before were. Hell, I find it interseting that an "Ultra-red" district was controlled by a Democrat...doesn't seem so "ultra-red".

    You speak of statistics Disney, lets see them.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm glad. But my "spin" is no different that the spin from the far right.....actually I would have to say I've even been more moderate. The reality is...the lesson that I hope the GOP doesn't learn is that America is a centrist country.
    America has kicked out the moderates by and large from both countries, leaving the house of representitives with stauch ideological conservatives and staunch ideological democrats with little moderates at all...and the message of that is "CENTRIST!"?

    As a far-left liberal I hate to admit that...and I hate having Blue Dogs and moderate Democrats, but I accept that this is the reality.
    You accept it because its supposed to win you races in "moderate" districts that would take a moderate liberal over a staunch conservative.

    ....wait a second, didn't almost all the blue dogs lose to staunch conservatives.

    it must be because the countries moderate and centrist.

    If the GOP accepts your spin and believes that this is a mandate to move the country to the hard right....that can only be good for people like me because they will alienate the vast majority of the people in this country.
    No, its not a mandate to move the country to the hard right in total. Its a mandate to move the country right, in general, on fiscal and governmental issues.

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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Indeed, however the more accurate thing to look at would be 2006.



    Indeed. The issue is, just like in 2006, reading what it is will "please" them.



    Yes, and specifically to get **** done and create jobs in a conservative manner.



    In 2006 the Democrats got swept into office with the focus being on Anti-War sentiment, and the secondary sentiment being against Republican and Bush policies in general. They did this by running moderate to conservative "blue dog" Democrats. After winning they misread the mandate and decided it meant support of universal health care, bailouts, stimulus, cap and trade, and other such things they've been trying to push.

    In 2010 Republicans got swept into congress by rejecting moderate and liberal republicans in exchange for conservative ones, and based on a message of fixing the deficit and economy with lowered spending, smaller government, and not raising taxes.

    Like the Democrats, if they misread what they were elected for they're going to be booted out. HOWEVER, what they got elected for is NOT the same reasons Democrats got elected in 2006, nor was it the same way. MODERATE democrats were elected in 2006 to give them their majority, primarily due to the war. In 2010 CONSERVATIVe republicans were elected to give them the majority, primarily due to economic and governmental issues.

    If the republicans over reach and think this was a referendum on conservatism as a whole and start pushing massive Defense and Social conservative issues as their focus then yes, they're doomed for misreading the message. Similarly however if republicans read this as the country wanting them to be "moderate" and to "compromise" to help the Democratic President pass what he wants then they're ALSO misreading the message.
    Believe it or not....I actually agree almost 100% with what you wrote here. The only thing that I think you are a little off on and/or failed to mention is that it wasn't simply the Democrats misreading the mandate....the Democrats really were between a rock and a hard place. Part of the losses in the house have in large part to do with Democrats not coming out to vote because they are disappointed with the Democrats for NOT pushing the mandate. Dems are either going to lose the mod/indep vote by going too far to the left...or lose the left vote by going too far to the middle. I recognize that...and although I personally would prefer a hard left agenda, I understand that the Dems are not going to win elections by doing that...many of my leftist cohorts get pissed off and don't understand that.
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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Lets see the statistics. I want to know where these "ultra-red" districts that were controlled by Democrats before were. Hell, I find it interseting that an "Ultra-red" district was controlled by a Democrat...doesn't seem so "ultra-red".

    You speak of statistics Disney, lets see them.


    I was referencing the previous poster who cited Rand Paul and Mike Lee....both of those seats were going to be Republican regardless of whether they were tea party or not....I don't know when the last Senator from Kentucky was a Democrat...but I know that Utah hasn't had a Democratic Senator since the 1960's.
    Also...New Hampshire is generally a red state....as is Arizona and South Carolina...although to lesser extents. Florida, fluctuates.
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    Re: Gallup poll points to GOP rout

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I was referencing the previous poster who cited Rand Paul and Mike Lee....both of those seats were going to be Republican regardless of whether they were tea party or not....I don't know when the last Senator from Kentucky was a Democrat...but I know that Utah hasn't had a Democratic Senator since the 1960's.
    Also...New Hampshire is generally a red state....as is Arizona and South Carolina...although to lesser extents. Florida, fluctuates.


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