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    Re: Ex-guerrilla to be Brazil's first female president

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sounds like a deadbeat dad, that will suck way more than 2 grand out of the welfare system.

    Basically, you're creating a system that tells people, "don't worry, we'll reward your failures". When more and more people believe that, more and more people will find themselves living off the government, because they were too lazy, or too stupid to make it on their own, to begin with.
    In an ideal world, where the insurance companies aren't corrupt and money grabbing assholes you'd be right.

    But families that pay for years into insurance, who suddenly have their coverage taken away, or their premiums increased to a point they can't pay and they go bankrupt. That's where the system is ****ed...

    So again. How are you "rewarding failure" If the private system doops people, exploits them, doesn't offer them the thing they payed for. And the government pays for that $300 doctors visit, that could prevent the child from getting sicker, which later on could cost the state EVEN MORE.

    The idea that the insurance industry, or private industry in general is infallible is as downright niave and stupid, as those who think the Government is infallable. It's nonsense.
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    Re: Ex-guerrilla to be Brazil's first female president

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It has more to do with having so many people looking for a hand out from the government.
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    Sounds like a deadbeat dad, that will suck way more than 2 grand out of the welfare system.

    Basically, you're creating a system that tells people, "don't worry, we'll reward your failures". When more and more people believe that, more and more people will find themselves living off the government, because they were too lazy, or too stupid to make it on their own, to begin with.
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    Re: Ex-guerrilla to be Brazil's first female president

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    I don't think it's just "US meddling" that has helped drive people to the left in Latin America. The utter ruthlessness of the right wing military dictatorships when they were in power is probably a factor.
    All right wing dictatorships were backed by the US, politically and economically. Hence "US meddling".
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    Re: Ex-guerrilla to be Brazil's first female president

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What in the world does "US meddling" have to do with left-wing or right-wing politics?
    Has everything to do with it. Leftists politicians use the US meddling as a scare tactic.

    The reason that South America tends to be left-wing is very simple: the HUGE amount of wealth disparity that exists there. Especially in Brazil, where you have glamorous gated mansions just a few blocks away from terrifying favelas with open sewers and no electricity.
    Yes I agree that is a very valid co-reason. But dont under-estimate the US meddling over the last 50 years. You aint gonna see a right wing government in some countries any time soon because of it.

    And for the record the wealth disparity in South America is not massively higher than that of the US. At worst we are talking 50% higher
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    Re: Ex-guerrilla to be Brazil's first female president

    Brazil will always be the country of the future....lol

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    Re: Ex-guerrilla to be Brazil's first female president

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It has more to do with having so many people looking for a hand out from the government.
    You don't understand that your political universe doesn't fit into the rest of the worlds politics?
    You also don't understand the free market DOESNT WORK to solve their problems down there all the time.

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    Re: Ex-guerrilla to be Brazil's first female president

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Has everything to do with it. Leftists politicians use the US meddling as a scare tactic.
    Lula didn't. Dilma Roussef (as far as I know) hasn't. If by "leftist politicians" you mean Hugo Chavez, then you'd be correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    Yes I agree that is a very valid co-reason. But dont under-estimate the US meddling over the last 50 years. You aint gonna see a right wing government in some countries any time soon because of it.
    This presumes that all politics everywhere in the world revolves around the United States, which is just not true. And it also presumes that people are too stupid to vote according to the issues that are actually affecting them in the here and now.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    And for the record the wealth disparity in South America is not massively higher than that of the US. At worst we are talking 50% higher
    50% higher IS pretty massive. And in any case, the US has a higher level of wealth overall so it's not a problem to the same degree. There is nowhere in the poorest areas of the United States that looks anything like what you'd see in a Brazilian favela.
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    Re: Ex-guerrilla to be Brazil's first female president

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Not a hand out,

    But actually providing education, police services and a minimal level of health care, to actually allow for people to become educated productive member of society. Something Brazil in the past has not done, but has been doing lately and is seeing good results from that program
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    i.e. a hand out
    Education and police services are hand outs?

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    Re: Ex-guerrilla to be Brazil's first female president

    Dilma Rousseff was Hugo Chavez's favorite candidate. That's not a good sign at all for Brazil. Rousseff was a blatant guerrilla, but the Brazilian people were well aware of that, when they elected her. So, they'll have what they asked for. That's democracy after all, isn't it?

    The reason that South America tends to be left-wing nowadays is very simple indeed, but in my opinion it’s not just the HUGE amount of wealth disparity that exists. It has to be with the corrupted people who have ruled South American countries like Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Brazil, and Argentina among a few more. It doesn’t matter the political definition of those thieves. They took advantage of their countries and sank our people in misery. When these “new” Socialists offered to destroy those former corrupts. We believe them, but the reality is that they are as much as corrupt as the others were, and some former corrupts are still working with these new regimes (from right-wings to Socialists over night)

    They just changed their name from neoliberals to neo-socialists and not necessarily with new people.
    They are fooling poor people telling them that they’re fighting poorness. That’s a flat lie.

    Let’s hope for the best. Lula was not as commanded as the other Presidents are by Chavez.

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