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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    what he did is against the law, and he is trying to 'influence' those working for him, with a barely hidden threat to their financial wellbeing...how can you honestly support this?
    I don't care if something is illegal or not, that doesn't automatically make it right or wrong.
    Yes I can support it, he has the freedom to state his beliefs, 1st amendment over everything else.
    His employees have the freedom to disregard it.

    What if what he says is true?
    Is he wrong then?
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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't care if something is illegal or not, that doesn't automatically make it right or wrong.
    Yes I can support it, he has the freedom to state his beliefs, 1st amendment over everything else.
    His employees have the freedom to disregard it.

    What if what he says is true?
    Is he wrong then?
    harry guerrilla, as your employer, i feel that is in the best interest of both of us, if you were to vote to elect certain individuals named on the enclosed pamphlet, as it is the belief of the company that these individuals will help the company to continue to grow and prosper...it is the belief of the company that if these individuals are not elected, we will not be able to give raises or implement better benefits, and may have to consider reducing our staffing levels. we ask that you carefully consider who you vote for on november 2nd...sincerely, management...

    you are ok with this? and if what he said is 'true'...that is a matter of conjecture on his part, and it wouldnt matter to me if he was right, i don't care for employers pulling this bs

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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    harry guerrilla, as your employer, i feel that is in the best interest of both of us, if you were to vote to elect certain individuals named on the enclosed pamphlet, as it is the belief of the company that these individuals will help the company to continue to grow and prosper...it is the belief of the company that if these individuals are not elected, we will not be able to give raises or implement better benefits, and may have to consider reducing our staffing levels. we ask that you carefully consider who you vote for on november 2nd...sincerely, management...

    you are ok with this? and if what he said is 'true'...that is a matter of conjecture on his part, and it wouldnt matter to me if he was right, i don't care for employers pulling this bs
    I'd be fine with it, particularly for me because I don't vote any way.

    I get told all the time by party officials on both sides, that if I don't vote for them, I will face some kind of negative economic consequences.

    What's the difference?
    Neither my employer, nor the party officials, know who I vote for.
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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't care if something is illegal or not, that doesn't automatically make it right or wrong.
    Yes I can support it, he has the freedom to state his beliefs, 1st amendment over everything else.
    His employees have the freedom to disregard it.

    What if what he says is true?
    Is he wrong then?
    As of this writing, if you choose to have children - your employment will be considered for termination. We figure it won't be cost effective to keep you on as an employee as your insurance costs will be more expensive for you AND for me. Therefore, you will not be allowed to have children. We hope you understand and will choose to make the right decision.

    I have the right to disregard this as well... and he certainly has the right to state his beliefs. Right?

    Please.

    I'm as Libertarian as anyone - but really? How much power DO we give employers to hold over their employees? I'm not so much into the anarchy of the LP, apparently as I still believe employess should still have some rights in the workplace...
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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'd be fine with it, particularly for me because I don't vote any way.

    I get told all the time by party officials on both sides, that if I don't vote for them, I will face some kind of negative economic consequences.

    What's the difference?
    Neither my employer, nor the party officials, know who I vote for.
    your ok with those tactics being used? good grief

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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    As of this writing, if you choose to have children - your employment will be considered for termination. We figure it won't be cost effective to keep you on as an employee as your insurance costs will be more expensive for you AND for me. Therefore, you will not be allowed to have children. We hope you understand and will choose to make the right decision.

    I have the right to disregard this as well... and he certainly has the right to state his beliefs. Right?

    Please.

    I'm as Libertarian as anyone - but really? How much power DO we give employers to hold over their employees? I'm not so much into the anarchy of the LP, apparently as I still believe employess should still have some rights in the workplace...
    That is a valid criticism of the employer, especially if they are forced to cover your medical benefits.
    As of right now, they aren't, so you can merely get your medical insurance outside of the employer.

    You have a right to find a new job, if you don't like the person you're working for.
    That's it, besides physical and mental abuse.
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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    your ok with those tactics being used? good grief
    Tactics?
    If the employer really believes that, a particular political ideology with hurt his business, he has all the right to defend it.

    As far as politicians making unfounded claims of negative economic consequences, I don't believe them anyway, so their tactics don't work on me like that.
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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    It is more concerning to me that there is no law which forces companies to give their employees time to go vote without facing consequences.

    I have never understood why election days are in the middle of the week when a lot of people are working.

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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It is more concerning to me that there is no law which forces companies to give their employees time to go vote without facing consequences.
    The polls are open from 6am to 9pm. Unless you work straight from 6-9, why should an employer have to give you time off during the middle of the day?

    I have never understood why election days are in the middle of the week when a lot of people are working.
    On the weekend, people are on vacations/traveling/drinking/watching sports/etc. I would wager that turnout would be lower if elections were on the weekend.
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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It is more concerning to me that there is no law which forces companies to give their employees time to go vote without facing consequences.

    I have never understood why election days are in the middle of the week when a lot of people are working.
    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The polls are open from 6am to 9pm. Unless you work straight from 6-9, why should an employer have to give you time off during the middle of the day?



    On the weekend, people are on vacations/traveling/drinking/watching sports/etc. I would wager that turnout would be lower if elections were on the weekend.
    Actually many states and provinces have laws on the books that require employers to give employees time off to vote without a deduction in pay. This of course only matters if said employee is working during almost all the time the polls are open. If a person has time before or after work to vote then the employer will not be required to give the employee time to vote nor pay for that time
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