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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, but they can expel a member.
    I think only trade unions have that ability


    I believe unions that are site/company specific do not have that ability. All they can do is fine people for not paying union dues. Autoworker unions could not expell a membe. r when being employed means you are part of the union. As the auto worker unions can not fire people, they could not expell a member from its union. All they could do I believe is not provide said employee with any support regarding grievences with the company
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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    So are you suggesting that employers should be able to do whatever they want and laws be damned? There is a reason why certain things are not allowed in the workplace and this is one of em buster!
    Um, no.

    I'm saying "it's illegal" is not in and of itself enough of an argument for why anybody should avoid doing anything.
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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I think only trade unions have that ability


    I believe unions that are site/company specific do not have that ability. All they can do is fine people for not paying union dues. Autoworker unions could not expell a membe. r when being employed means you are part of the union. As the auto worker unions can not fire people, they could not expell a member from its union. All they could do I believe is not provide said employee with any support regarding grievences with the company
    All private sector unions have that ability.

    Either way, by your own admission, a union can seriously ****-over a member. Not much difference.
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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    All private sector unions have that ability.

    Either way, by your own admission, a union can seriously ****-over a member. Not much difference.
    LT is wrong about auto unions....if a member brings a complaint/grievance to his union rep, that rep, under the law, is obligated to investigate the complaint, and if the rep believes it has merit, to file the grievance for the member. representation can't be denied . if the rep doesnt believe the complaint has merit, he/she is obligated to inform the member that he will not file a grievance on the complaint and explain his/her reasoning on why the complaint is not a grievance ....if the member is still is not satisfied and still believes that they have a legitimate grievance, they may pursue the matter higher, and speak to a representative from the regional office....i come by this knowledge as i have served as a shop chairperson and a shift steward.

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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    LT is wrong about auto unions....if a member brings a complaint/grievance to his union rep, that rep, under the law, is obligated to investigate the complaint, and if the rep believes it has merit, to file the grievance for the member. representation can't be denied . if the rep doesnt believe the complaint has merit, he/she is obligated to inform the member that he will not file a grievance on the complaint and explain his/her reasoning on why the complaint is not a grievance ....if the member is still is not satisfied and still believes that they have a legitimate grievance, they may pursue the matter higher, and speak to a representative from the regional office....i come by this knowledge as i have served as a shop chairperson and a shift steward.

    Question Randelll


    A person is an autoworker currently employeed and part of a union. The job site he is at is a closed shop and all employees are required to be in the union, can the union expell the member essentially causing the person to lose their job?
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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Question Randelll


    A person is an autoworker currently employeed and part of a union. The job site he is at is a closed shop and all employees are required to be in the union, can the union expell the member essentially causing the person to lose their job?
    to my knowledge, and under normal circumstances, i would say no....a person would have to do something pretty heinous i would think to get kicked out....in my personal experience, the only ways i have seen a person lose their job was to

    A) point out--in my work place, you are allowed a total of 8 absence points in a year, anything over that, and your done.

    B) destroy company property/intentionally cause 'downtime' on a press

    C) fail a drug test

    D) repeatedly not following work instructions to make quality parts/constantly passing bad parts

    the company and my union have had a decent working relationship, and just reached agreement on a tentative contract(which i get to hear all about next week) the company has zero tolerance and won't discuss people who lose their jobs for 'pointing out', but will discuss almost anything else....though they are not obligated to rehire those who have failed a drug test, they have on several occasions, rehired those who have failed provided they have, what we call, a 'come to jesus' meeting with the company and the union bargaining committee, admit they have a problem, agree to counseling and entering a drug treatment program, and agreeing to be tested at 'any time ' for a period of up to two years. these folks, if they were forklift drivers, or serves as 'support' operators( making checks on part, giving breaks, cleaning the plant) are demoted back to regular production operators.


    getting back to your question again, i could hate your guts, absolutely despise you and all that you stand for, but if i'm your rep, i can't deny you representation, and i'm obligated by law(since you would be a dues paying member) to represent you to the absolute best of my ability. i can't intentionally screw you over by lack of effort on my part.

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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    From the article:

    The spokesman, Joe Woods, e-mailed a statement on Mr. Siegfried’s behalf. “For those that I have offended, I sincerely apologize,” the statement said.

    Mr. Woods said Mr. Siegfried’s action did not represent the policy of McDonald’s.

    Mr. Schulman, who is a lawyer, said that distribution of the pamphlet — which was printed on a McDonald’s letterhead — violates a 1953 Ohio statute that prohibits political material from being attached to wage envelopes. He declined to comment on how he got a copy, or who gave it to him, but said it was distributed to employees within the past week.

    He said he had forwarded a copy to the authorities in Canton, requesting that they investigate.
    Sounds like this guys ass is in hot water, as it should be.
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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

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    Sounds like this guys ass is in hot water, as it should be.
    the guy could possibly lose his franchise.

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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    the guy could possibly lose his franchise.
    I wouldn't want to work for person that apparently thought I was stupid enough to think that what he did was OK. Talk about insulting a persons intelligence.
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    Re: McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I wouldn't want to work for person that apparently thought I was stupid enough to think that what he did was OK. Talk about insulting a persons intelligence.
    true dat....then again, the majority of folks that work at mickey d's are young, probably right aroung voting age, and are impressionable...threaten their paycheck is a nice scare tactic.

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