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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Citation?
    Deuteronomy 18:21-22, "And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." Check

    Numbers 12:6, "And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream." Check

    Numbers 24:4 "He hath said, which heard the words of God, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:" Check

    Numbers 24:16, "He hath said, which heard the words of God, and knew the knowledge of the most High, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:" check

    Do I really need to go down the whole list?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Paul was an APOSTLE. There were several apostles (12 in all) and many of them performed miracles. Paul was in no way unique.
    Of course he was. Not like being an apostle somehow excluded you from being a profit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I don't think you understand the concept of old testament versus new testament law very well. Man failed at old testament law. That's why a savior was required. That savior brought a new law. Many scholars believe that Christ's law is quantified in the Beatitudes, but you could also look at Matthew 6 for insights.
    But that is not the totality of the law. You want to pick and choose and leave the rest.

    People who are legalistic (i.e., focused on the law) tend to miss Christ's major points:[/quote]

    Oh please, I think I know all this already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Have you treated gays the way that you'd want them to treat you?
    #1 I am still waiting for you to show me where I said I hate gays.
    #2 This was my last post on the subject of gays....

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059075750

    Don't just gloss over it, and tell me what you really think about how much I hate gays.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You mad?
    About what?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Calling yourself a true believer and insinuating others who disagree with you aren't, isn't very rational. And no, I don't want to rewrite Christianity, Christ said nothing of homosexuality, and John 3:16 says it all for me.
    Please feel free to point out where I insulted someone as that is an offense on the forums. Please point out where I have been irrational?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Its plain, and simple right there. Whosoever believes in him, not whosoever believes in him(as long as their straight).
    I am a sinner and have stated as much. The difference is I try not to live in it like it is correect or OK with God, it's not as I have shown.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Your evidence was responded to and it was pointed out to you that Jesus Christ never condemned gays, or suggested that this was part of his gospel.
    He has, you seem to think Jesus and God the father are two different people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Wait, what? This, coming from the guy who wants to make the claim that you have to believe being gay is a sin in order to be a Christian?
    Please point out where I said that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Rewriting Christianity, indeed. Again...where did Christ say this? Surely, if this was a requirement for Christianity, he'd have made time to mention it.
    He did, I have posted it, you pretend not to see it so as to be comfertable. I mean really, no one wants to go to hell.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Micah 6:8: "What does the Lord ask of you but to do justice, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly before your God?"

    You walking humbly, Bro. Dog? You loving mercy? You doing justice by those gays?
    Yes, I am. Are you doing the same for the Christians and Mormons you constantly bash?

    You have no room to sit in judgement of anyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Note to Christians: remove plank from eye before criticizing other people's sinning.
    Has nothing to do with my statement nor does it apply
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Deuteronomy 18:21-22, "And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." Check

    Numbers 12:6, "And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream." Check

    Numbers 24:4 "He hath said, which heard the words of God, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:" Check

    Numbers 24:16, "He hath said, which heard the words of God, and knew the knowledge of the most High, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:" check
    Where did Paul's peers refer to him as a prophet? (they didn't) Where did Paul use this term to describe himself? (he didn't).

    Do I really need to go down the whole list?
    Only if it involves New Testament folks speaking specifically of Paul as a Prophet and/or Paul referring to himself that way. Prophets weren't needed once the son of God came in the flesh. The prophets testified of Christ's imminent arrival.

    Of course he was. Not like being an apostle somehow excluded you from being a profit.
    They're two different things, bro.

    But that is not the totality of the law. You want to pick and choose and leave the rest.
    I want to follow Christ's law. You want to be stuck with the Pharisees in the Old Testment. If the law was sufficient, why was Christ's atonement necessary?

    Oh please, I think I know all this already.
    Really? by their fruits ye shall know them.

    #1 I am still waiting for you to show me where I said I hate gays.
    Learn to read. I NEVER said that you (specifically) expressed hatred for gays.

    #2 This was my last post on the subject of gays....
    Taking our ball and going home?

    I don't blame you. The Bible doesn't confirm your positions.

    Don't just gloss over it, and tell me what you really think about how much I hate gays
    Please stop creating strawmen.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    But that is not the totality of the law. You want to pick and choose and leave the rest.
    Pick and choose, so lets see, are you okay with being forced to marry your rapist, or killing adulterers, are you okay with forcing a women who's husband died without a male heir to have sex with his brothers until one is produced? Are you okay with men having concubines? Who's really picking and choosing here.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Please feel free to point out where I insulted someone as that is an offense on the forums. Please point out where I have been irrational?



    I am a sinner and have stated as much. The difference is I try not to live in it like it is correect or OK with God, it's not as I have shown.
    The whole holier than thou stuff, doesn't promote rational discussion.

    And we are all sinners, and I try to live my life the way God wants me to. And the way God made me, isn't sinful.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    He has, you seem to think Jesus and God the father are two different people?
    What was the point of Christ's death on the cross?
    Please point out where I said that?
    Sorry, apparently that was Dark Wizard and not you. However, you did say that Christians (all Christians) believe that homosexuality is a sin. Not all Christians believe this.

    He did, I have posted it, you pretend not to see it so as to be comfertable. I mean really, no one wants to go to hell.
    Christ never said it. You lamely attempted to imply that because it is written in Levitical law (Leviticus) that it came directly from Christ. This is not correct.

    Yes, I am. Are you doing the same for the Christians and Mormons you constantly bash?
    Clearly. It's not unloving to point out error. Isn't that what you claim to be doing?

    You have no room to sit in judgement of anyone.
    Strawman. I was asking you honest questions. Nice dodge, though. If only we were playing dodgeball.

    Has nothing to do with my statement nor does it apply
    Law of Christ, bro.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Where did Paul's peers refer to him as a prophet? (they didn't) Where did Paul use this term to describe himself? (he didn't).
    I can't believe you are playing this game. And you say you taught Sunday school??? You should know this.

    Identifying the profits of God are laid down in the Bible. Anyone can do it. He meets all the criteria according to the Old AND New Testaments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Only if it involves New Testament folks speaking specifically of Paul as a Prophet and/or Paul referring to himself that way. Prophets weren't needed once the son of God came in the flesh. The prophets testified of Christ's imminent arrival.
    Among other things. Jeeesh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    They're two different things, bro.
    Yes, but NOT mutually exclusive as I said.

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    I want to follow Christ's law. You want to be stuck with the Pharisees in the Old Testment. If the law was sufficient, why was Christ's atonement necessary?
    By denouncing your faith? By leaving it to the way side? By attacking religions and people of faith at every turn? Could have fooled me.

    Christs atonement was so ALL men and not just the Jewish people could attain heaven.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Really? by their fruits ye shall know them.
    Yes.

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    Learn to read. I NEVER said that you (specifically) expressed hatred for gays.
    Not at all, you just implied it.

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    Taking our ball and going home?
    Ummm... It was my last post specifically about gay people and not religion and gays.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I don't blame you. The Bible doesn't confirm your positions.
    I have shown it does. You have basically offered lip service.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Please stop creating strawmen.
    You implied it and are still trying to imply it with your "what have you done for gays lately post.

    Please don't be so dishonest, you brought it up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I can't believe you are playing this game. And you say you taught Sunday school??? You should know this.

    Identifying the profits of God are laid down in the Bible. Anyone can do it. He meets all the criteria according to the Old AND New Testaments.
    Once Christ came in the flesh, the era of prophets was over. We had information directly from the source at that point. Please. Share with us the other prophets that have existed since Paul...


    Among other things. Jeeesh.
    You want to make this claim, but you can't actually back it up. Even Paul didn't refer to himself as a prophet. A prophet had a different role than an apostle.

    Yes, but NOT mutually exclusive as I said.
    The era of the prophets ended when Christ came in the flesh. This is also why the curtain between the Holy of Holies in the Jerusalem temple was torn....Christ became our go-between. Because of Christ, we can go directly to the father. In the past, prophets and priests stood between humanity and God. No longer.

    I know you WANT desperately for Paul to be a prophet, but the simple fact is that if he wanted this title, he'd have taken it, or it would have been given to him. It wasn't.

    By denouncing your faith? By leaving it to the way side? By attacking religions and people of faith at every turn? Could have fooled me.
    Gosh. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were attacking me. I mean, you did say:
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You are an unbeliever who does not care and want only to corrupt that which is pure.
    That sounds a little bit like an attack...

    I've never attacked people personally (although this is about your 6th or 7th personal comment directed at my character). I've simply pointed out where they've gotten "off-message." I think that's a legitimate place of discussion.

    And, I only do it when Christians use their beliefs as a basis for attacking other people.

    Christs atonement was so ALL men and not just the Jewish people could attain heaven.
    Why couldn't they attain it on their own merits?

    Not at all, you just implied it.
    Really. Quote my post and back up this claim or stand down, soldier.

    Ummm... It was my last post specifically about gay people and not religion and gays.
    You can't resist my powers.

    I have shown it does. You have basically offered lip service.
    If this was truly significant to Christ, given his limited time on earth and the importance of every word he spoke, I'm quite sure he'd have brought it up. Why didn't he? You've taken verses out of context and tried to twist them into supporting your worldview, rather than being conformed to the word of God.

    You implied it and are still trying to imply it with your "what have you done for gays lately post.
    Please, feel free to use my words to show this...

    Please don't be so dishonest, you brought it up.
    You simply misinterpreted my comment. But, now would be a good time to stop doing this.
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Even Saint Francis would smack both of you with a ruler about now. Geeze, chill out already. Go play outside for awhile or something. Watch TV. Drink beer. Something. Anything. Just stop talking about it before my frickin' head explodes.





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