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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    On sexual immorality:
    1 Corinthians 7:2
    "But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband"
    Paul.

    Matthew 5:28
    "But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
    Was this verse about sexual immorality, or about the overall sinfulness of mankind?

    Mark 7:20-23
    And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”
    Is homosexuality specifically mentioned here? Of course not.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11
    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

    Jude 1:7
    Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
    Not the words of Christ. Nice try, though.


    Leviticus 18:22

    You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
    Again...not Christ.


    John 14:15
    “If you love me, you will keep my commandments."
    Which commandments were given by Christ, specifically? He wasn't referring to the old testament.

    Again. You all have stated that being anti-gay is necessary in order to be CHRISTIAN. I'm just wondering where JESUS CHRIST, the founder of your religion, said this.

    Nice tries, but the fact remains: He didn't.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Crap. That means long buffet lines.
    We could help out. I'll bring my famous potato salad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Crap. That means long buffet lines.
    What did you think Hell meant?

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    ...However, we are all genetically predesposed towards sin...

    Which reminds me of my favorite sign on the Comedy Central site for the RTRS/F:

    "If we don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing."

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Paul was a great teacher, I'm sure, but he's no Jesus.
    He was more than that. He was considered a true profit of God. So his law was also the law. He was very clear about this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This doesn't address homosexuality, at all.
    Only to those who would deny the laws of Christ, period.

    It not only mentions what marriage is under God, but why he created man and woman and not same sex partners.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You apparently see what you want to see to justify your own paradigms.
    I am a true follower and see the truth of Gods law. You are an unbeliever who does not care and want only to corrupt that which is pure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    He was more than that. He was considered a true profit of God. So his law was also the law. He was very clear about this.
    He considered himself a true Prophet, I think you mean? Yeah. Where does Paul say that he's a "profit"? He calls himself a teacher, preacher, and pastor. That's different. The books that you are thinking of in the New Testament are letters that were written by Paul to early churches. They aren't on par with the gospels. And, they weren't canonized until MANY, MANY years after Paul's death. I mean like...300 years. That's a long time.

    Beyond that, Paul never even met Jesus Christ in the flesh, and wasn't one of his disciples. Paul's letters reflect Paul's beliefs.

    Only to those who would deny the laws of Christ, period.
    Where did Christ mention that being anti-gay is a law of his?

    It not only mentions what marriage is under God, but why he created man and woman and not same sex partners.
    Actually, that passage deals with divorce and the hypocrisy of the Jews in that era, treating their wives shamefully, giving them letters of divorcement that dishonored them (and left them in poverty, at the mercy of their male relatives), and pretending to still be righteous before God after mistreating their own wives.

    I'm sensing some similarities here with the modern pharisees, to be blunt.

    It's hard to call yourself a lover of God if you can't manage to love other humans.

    I am a true follower and see the truth of Gods law. You are an unbeliever who does not care and want only to corrupt that which is pure.
    I'm a former Sunday School teacher who was taught to "rightly divide the word of truth." I don't know whose law you want to follow, but it isn't Christ's law.

    The longer I live, the more I see truth in this thought: The God you choose to worship says more about you than it does about God. If you hate gays, you're likely to latch onto a version of God that hates gays.

    I don't think that's reflective of the teachings of Christ, though.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 11-02-10 at 04:55 PM.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I am a true follower and see the truth of Gods law. You are an unbeliever who does not care and want only to corrupt that which is pure.
    This is why I have a hard time discussing religion with some people. Some people just can't help but take a holier than thou approach when they have a disagreement with someone, and it's impossible to have a rational discussion.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    This is why I have a hard time discussing religion with some people. Some people just can't help but take a holier than thou approach when they have a disagreement with someone, and it's impossible to have a rational discussion.
    Clearly, you're an evil heathen who wants nothing more than to use holy scripture as your toilet paper. You aren't nearly as righteous as me.

    /pharisee mode

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Here's something to keep in mind when you're tempted to get it all twisted and complicated:

    Micah 6:8, “…And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.”
    It really is that simple.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The longer I live, the more I see truth in this thought: The God you choose to worship says more about you than it does about God. If you hate gays, you're likely to latch onto a version of God that hates gays.

    I don't think that's reflective of the teachings of Christ, though.
    I do think that is true of far too many. I prefer the thought that truth isn't something we know, but something we seek. Just allowing for our lack of certainty would help us much in this world.

    Just my thinking out loud, but I have enjoyed a lot of what you're present here. Thanks.

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